Can we take the file records at face value?

[ShiningInLuz]

Thank you for the correct image SIL.  May I ask you to remove the incorrect photos ... or at the very least ensure that you have made it clear on the specific post that the ganja station is NOT the VNG station referred to.  It is misleading.

So you are saying that Porto PJ don't know their stations?  They are confused between the main Porto station and the one at Vila Nova Gaia?  . 
Sorry I cant agree that that is likely, especially as in the files somewhere, it goes on about the Police checked the trains coming into Porto ... which would be the main Campanha station.

Now
Can you supply a cite proving that the driver of the taxi was designated to VNG station?

I have already adjusted the thread to take out all references to Granja, other than keeping those bits that make it clear that the Vila Nova de Gaia station is not Granja.

The Porto PJ got it right that the train terminated at Campanhã.

There is nothing in the pages quoted that directly attribute the Campanhã deduction to the taxi driver.  There is evidence in the files that he picked the passengers up at VNdG and drove them the short distance to a drop off within VNdG.  The train schedule shows the train stopped at VNdG.

What were the Portimão PJ supposed to do?  Ignore the evidence, ignore the testimony, and say 'well Porto PJ said Campanhã, so we'll say Campanhã'?  That's not how evidence works.

The reference to the driver being a VNdG driver is in the Portimão PJ report.  But it is of no import.

The train stopped at VNdG.  The driver described the short journey from VNdG train station to the drop off nearby in VNdG.

[slartibartfast]

I have already adjusted the thread to take out all references to Granja, other than keeping those bits that make it clear that the Vila Nova de Gaia station is not Granja.

The Porto PJ got it right that the train terminated at Campanhã.

There is nothing in the pages quoted that directly attribute the Campanhã deduction to the taxi driver.  There is evidence in the files that he picked the passengers up at VNdG and drove them the short distance to a drop off within VNdG.  The train schedule shows the train stopped at VNdG.

What were the Portimão PJ supposed to do?  Ignore the evidence, ignore the testimony, and say 'well Porto PJ said Campanhã, so we'll say Campanhã'?  That's not how evidence works.

The reference to the driver being a VNdG driver is in the Portimão PJ report.  But it is of no import.

The train stopped at VNdG.  The driver described the short journey from VNdG train station to the drop off nearby in VNdG.

You could even hazard a guess that the driver said "picked up at the station" and the police filled in the gap.

[sadie]

I have already adjusted the thread to take out all references to Granja, other than keeping those bits that make it clear that the Vila Nova de Gaia station is not Granja.

The Porto PJ got it right that the train terminated at Campanhã.

There is nothing in the pages quoted that directly attribute the Campanhã deduction to the taxi driver.  There is evidence in the files that he picked the passengers up at VNdG and drove them the short distance to a drop off within VNdG.  The train schedule shows the train stopped at VNdG.

What were the Portimão PJ supposed to do?  Ignore the evidence, ignore the testimony, and say 'well Porto PJ said Campanhã, so we'll say Campanhã'?  That's not how evidence works.

The reference to the driver being a VNdG driver is in the Portimão PJ report.  But it is of no import.

The train stopped at VNdG.  The driver described the short journey from VNdG train station to the drop off nearby in VNdG.

THe original and knowledgeable Processos 809 written in Porto states quite clearly that the taxi driver picked the man carrying the little blond girl at Campanha Railway station, Porto. 

You, SIL, stated that the taxi drivers normal station was VNG.  Please supply a cite for that assertion.

[ShiningInLuz]

THe original and knowledgeable Processos 809 written in Porto states quite clearly that the taxi driver picked the man carrying the little blond girl at Campanha Railway station, Porto. 

You, SIL, stated that the taxi drivers normal station was VNG.  Please supply a cite for that assertion.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_807.jpg

"O Taxista de V. N. de Gaia Alberto Almeida ..."   The taxi driver of/from VN de G Alberto Almeida ...

I have given you the file location already.

'original and knowledgeable'?  The Porto report was dashed off to Portimão to alert the PJ there, so they could do the digging.  Portimão PJ established it was VNdG, not Campanhã.

We appear to be flogging a dead horse.

[sadie]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P3/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_807.jpg

"O Taxista de V. N. de Gaia Alberto Almeida ..."   The taxi driver of/from VN de G Alberto Almeida ...

I have given you the file location already.

'original and knowledgeable'?  The Porto report was dashed off to Portimão to alert the PJ there, so they could do the digging.  Portimão PJ established it was VNdG, not Campanhã.

We appear to be flogging a dead horse.

I worked in Darlaston and Birmingham, but I didn't live in either place.


Eastern Vila nova de Gaia is immediately across the river Douro to the Campanha Railway Station and some eastern parts and South eastern parts of VNG are closer, both ease of travelling and distance wise, to Campanha R Station than to Vila Nova de Gaia R Station. 

Quite a chunk of the eastern part of VNG including such places as Avintes, Oliveira do Douro and Andorinho have easy access to the Autoroute IP 1 (E 1) and would whizz to work far faster at Campanha than to VNG railway stations.  These villages are part of VNG and are widely spaced with many villages in between.

A taxi driver living in that part of VNG would prefer to operate from Campanha railway station IMO.



Did you take up the challenge and find number 79 Rua Andre de Costa in Vila Nova De Gaia?

[ShiningInLuz]

I worked in Darlaston and Birmingham, but I didn't live in either place.


Eastern Vila nova de Gaia is immediately across the river Douro to the Campanha Railway Station and some eastern parts and South eastern parts of VNG are closer, both ease of travelling and distance wise, to Campanha R Station than to Vila Nova de Gaia R Station. 

Quite a chunk of the eastern part of VNG including such places as Avintes, Oliveira do Douro and Andorinho have easy access to the Autoroute IP 1 (E 1) and would whizz to work far faster at Campanha than to VNG railway stations.  These villages are part of VNG and are widely spaced with many villages in between.

A taxi driver living in that part of VNG would prefer to operate from Campanha railway station IMO.

Did you take up the challenge and find number 79 Rua Andre de Costa in Vila Nova De Gaia?

The journey described is from VNdG to 79 Rua André de Costa.  Not from Campanhã to 79.  And yes, I did look it up.  Over to you.

[sadie]

The journey described is from VNdG to 79 Rua André de Costa.  Not from Campanhã to 79.  And yes, I did look it up.  Over to you.

Where is the journey described please?

[ShiningInLuz]

Where is the journey described please?

In the pages you referenced.  Please re-read them.  807. 808. 809.

[misty]

OK.

Now can you find number 79 Rua Andre de Castro in Vila Nova Gaia. 
Clue, use GE and the street scene if necessary

I think it's in the pile of building rubble, as shown in 2009 G. Images

[sadie]

The journey described is from VNdG to 79 Rua André de Costa.  Not from Campanhã to 79.  And yes, I did look it up.  Over to you.

There is NO journey described in Processos 809, the original processos.

In Processos 807-808 which has a number of mistakes in it (disinformation?).  It says:


http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm#p3p807to808

03- Processos Vol III pages 807 to 808

The taxi driver in question was contacted by another taxi driver, an older man already retired who had been looking for him from the date of the service until the 09th when he managed to contact him, reminding him about a service trip that he made on 04-05-2007 at about 12.40 in which an individual carrying a blonde girl asked him to take them to Rua Andrade Castro no. 79, Santa Marinha, Vila Nova da Gaia.

No journey described there either SIL

I have already adjusted the thread to take out all references to Granja, other than keeping those bits that make it clear that the Vila Nova de Gaia station is not Granja.

The Porto PJ got it right that the train terminated at Campanhã.

There is nothing in the pages quoted that directly attribute the Campanhã deduction to the taxi driver.  There is evidence in the files that he picked the passengers up at VNdG and drove them the short distance to a drop off within VNdG.  The train schedule shows the train stopped at VNdG.

What were the Portimão PJ supposed to do?  Ignore the evidence, ignore the testimony, and say 'well Porto PJ said Campanhã, so we'll say Campanhã'?  That's not how evidence works.

The reference to the driver being a VNdG driver is in the Portimão PJ report.  But it is of no import.

The train stopped at VNdG.  The driver described the short journey from VNdG train station to the drop off nearby in VNdG.

No description there proving that was the route taken !   How come you thought there was in that post ?



I see no description in either Processos that confirmed that the man was picked up at VNG railway station.

And I see no evidence that he picked the passengers up at VNdG and drove them the short distance to a drop off within VNdG ... apart from the spiel in Processos 807-808, written in Portimao police station.

Cant think why you are pushing this SIL

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ETA:  You also say,

Reply #24 on: October 23, 2016, 06:25:06 AM »

What is it I have got completely wrong?

That there is a train station in VNdG?  That the Faro to Porto train stops there before going on to Campanhã?  That the train station fits perfectly with the taxi driver's description?

What have I got completely wrong?

There is NO taxi drivers description of the train station that I can find.  Cite please

[sadie]

I think it's in the pile of building rubble, as shown in 2009 G. Images

Ah, at last

Someone awake and willing to check

Well done misty.  I knew you would be the first to crack it. 


Have you checked GE image from 2007?  It is a bit tricky to catch it, but it is there.

In case you are not au fait with GE , use the clock on the top band of GE and then the slider to find the historical images..

[sadie]

Now another little strange thing about Processos 807-808


http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm#p3p807to808

03- Processos Vol III pages 807 to 808

The taxi driver in question was contacted by another taxi driver, an older man already retired who had been looking for him from the date of the service until the 09th when he managed to contact him, reminding him about a service trip that he made on 04-05-2007 at about 12.40 in which an individual carrying a blonde girl asked him to take them to Rua Andrade Castro no. 79, Santa Marinha, Vila Nova da Gaia.

The address has changed from Rua Andre de Castro to Rua Andrade Castro.  I have print outs of the original Processos 807-808 saying Rua Andre de Castro.   
I have print outs in Portuguese from the original files and in English

Try googling Rua Andrade Castro, Nova Vila de Gaia, if you dont believe me. NO such place.

Why has it changed?  To confuse the investigator? or what?  Any ideas SIL ?

[sadie]

I think it's in the pile of building rubble, as shown in 2009 G. Images

Actually misty I think you have the wrong side of the alleyway.   The odd numbers are on the north side, not the south side of the alleyway .. and we are looking for number 79

Have you checked what was being built there in 2007 ?   And what other buildings there are on the same piece of land?  Could any of them be of interest in a missing child case [possibly involving paedophilia?]

I will give you a clue, the Pope visited after the building was completed.

[slartibartfast]

Now another little strange thing about Processos 807-808


http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm#p3p807to808

03- Processos Vol III pages 807 to 808

The taxi driver in question was contacted by another taxi driver, an older man already retired who had been looking for him from the date of the service until the 09th when he managed to contact him, reminding him about a service trip that he made on 04-05-2007 at about 12.40 in which an individual carrying a blonde girl asked him to take them to Rua Andrade Castro no. 79, Santa Marinha, Vila Nova da Gaia.

The address has changed from Rua Andre de Castro to Rua Andrade Castro.  I have print outs of the original Processos 807-808 saying Rua Andre de Castro.   
I have print outs in Portuguese from the original files and in English

Try googling Rua Andrade Castro, Nova Vila de Gaia, if you dont believe me. NO such place.

Why has it changed?  To confuse the investigator? or what?  Any ideas SIL ?

Interesting that these slight discrepancies in an initial report and a follow up statement are proof of nefarious activities. Where does that leave the other statements in the case?

[sadie]

Interesting that these slight discrepancies in an initial report and a follow up statement are proof of nefarious activities. Where does that leave the other statements in the case?

Not only that Slarti, but the change between the original processos 807-808 and what we have today.  There is No such place as Rua Andrade Costa, VNG as Processos 807-808 currently claims.

What IS going on ?  Is something important being hidden ?

I have also got paper records of a question mark being added to the processos.  One processos with ... and one processos without.