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Offline Robittybob1

What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« on: January 14, 2017, 11:40:28 PM »
What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?   What is known about this trip?
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The postponement:02 August 2007  http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/the-huelva-trip/
[From ‘Madeleine’ by Kate McCann: “We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice… As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip.”]
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Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2017, 11:16:23 AM »
For context full passage.

'That morning Gerry and I, along with Jon and a colleague, were preparing to drive to Huelva in Spain to put up posters of Madeleine. Jon was intending to do some filming and several of the British journalists were going to join us there, on the give-and-take principle: it would give them a story centred on Madeleine, rather than on us, and this in turn would publicize our efforts. As I was dropping Sean and Amelie off at Toddler Club, I had a phone call from Gerry. The police wanted to come over at 10am. Something to do with forensics, they’d said. Great timing. And forensics? What was that all about?

We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice. As it happened, Gerry had a mild stomach upset which we used as an excuse to postpone the trip. We didn’t feel good about this at all, but even if the judicial secrecy law had not prevented us from giving the main reason, can you imagine what would have happened if we’d announced to the journalists heading for Huelva that the police were coming to do some forensic work in our villa? We were not to know our excuse would prove to be no more than a temporary holding measure. If we had, we wouldn’t have bothered trying to keep the scurrilous headlines at bay.

My mum, dad, Brian and Janet set off for the town to get out of the way before the police arrived. Ten o’clock came and went, as did lunchtime, then the afternoon. It was 5pm when they eventually showed up. They told us they wanted to shoot some video footage of our clothes and possessions. The forensics people would then take these away and return them the following day. They offered no explanation as to why they were doing this. Gerry and I just assumed it was on the suggestion of the British team, who had no doubt pointed out that it should have been done much earlier. We could kind of see the point: after all, the abductor could have brushed against some of our belongings and left traces of his DNA. Even at this late stage, it might be possible for some vital information to be retrieved. We were even quite pleased this was happening, that something was happening which might help find Madeleine.'
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 11:23:04 AM »
The McCanns were bound by judicial secrecy at the time, so could not reveal the real reason for the cancelled trip.  Some think that when asked the McCanns should have said "no comment" which was an option, but they chose to use Gerry's genuine earlier tummy upset as a "temporary holding measure" against an inevitable upsurge in scurrilous speculation.  The fact that Kate McCann subsequently explains all in her book (something she was under no pressure to do) speaks clearly of her basic honesty and desire to set the record straight.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2017, 11:27:20 AM »
The McCanns were bound by judicial secrecy at the time, so could not reveal the real reason for the cancelled trip.  Some think that when asked the McCanns should have said "no comment" which was an option, but they chose to use Gerry's genuine earlier tummy upset as a "temporary holding measure" against an inevitable upsurge in scurrilous speculation.  The fact that Kate McCann subsequently explains all in her book (something she was under no pressure to do) speaks clearly of her basic honesty and desire to set the record straight.

She admits to a lie. Who can she possibly be described as honest?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2017, 11:30:11 AM »
She admits to a lie. Who can she possibly be described as honest?
She is honest because she admits to it, unless you're claiming she's lying when she said she told a lie?  She had no need to write about this detail in her book so why did she, apart from a desire to tell a truthful account?

Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2017, 11:34:03 AM »
She is honest because she admits to it, unless you're claiming she's lying when she said she told a lie?  She had no need to write about this detail in her book so why did she, apart from a desire to tell a truthful account?

If she was honest she wouldn't have had to admit that she lied.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2017, 11:51:57 AM »
If she was honest she wouldn't have had to admit that she lied.
So, do you think that because she told this lie, then admitted she lied in her book (when she was under no obligation to refer to the lie) that this basically proves she is a dishonest person?

Offline Benice

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2017, 12:52:41 PM »
She admits to a lie. Who can she possibly be described as honest?

Oh come off it Faith - the reason why the phrase  'pulling a sickie' is so well known is because so many people have done it in their time.      It's wild exaggeration to say all those people should be branded as DISHONEST people for the rest of their lives.

We all lie for various reasons -  usually to be diplomatic or because we don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

The McCanns are no different IMO.    They had had made arrangements which involved other people and didn't want to cancel them  - and so they pulled a sickie - which made no difference to what happened with the PJ - except that it happened at a later time.

Nothing 'sinister' in any of that IMO -  but then I'm not poring over every word they spoke specifically looking for ANYTHING  - no matter how small  - to find fault with.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2017, 01:02:32 PM »
Oh come off it Faith - the reason why the phrase  'pulling a sickie' is so well known is because so many people have done it in their time.      It's wild exaggeration to say all those people should be branded as DISHONEST people for the rest of their lives.

We all lie for various reasons -  usually to be diplomatic or because we don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

The McCanns are no different IMO.    They had had made arrangements which involved other people and didn't want to cancel them  - and so they pulled a sickie - which made no difference to what happened with the PJ - except that it happened at a later time.

Nothing 'sinister' in any of that IMO -  but then I'm not poring over every word they spoke specifically looking for ANYTHING  - no matter how small  - to find fault with.
Faithlilly's hero Blacksmith is always harping on about this detail as if it tells us everything we need to know about the McCanns - his blog is littered with references to it.  If this is all the [ censored word ]s got, then they aint got alot!

Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2017, 01:18:14 PM »
Oh come off it Faith - the reason why the phrase  'pulling a sickie' is so well known is because so many people have done it in their time.      It's wild exaggeration to say all those people should be branded as DISHONEST people for the rest of their lives.

We all lie for various reasons -  usually to be diplomatic or because we don't want to hurt someone's feelings.

The McCanns are no different IMO.    They had had made arrangements which involved other people and didn't want to cancel them  - and so they pulled a sickie - which made no difference to what happened with the PJ - except that it happened at a later time.

Nothing 'sinister' in any of that IMO -  but then I'm not poring over every word they spoke specifically looking for ANYTHING  - no matter how small  - to find fault with.

No matter which way you slice it Benice Kate lied because if the fact that the PJ were doing forensics on their villa got out then the world and his wife would know that they were under suspicion of playing a part in their daughter's disappearance. It was a face-saving excercise, no more, no less. And if they can use that tactic once........!
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2017, 01:19:56 PM »
In my opinion people who use this passage in Kate's book as evidence of the McCanns alleged dishonesty generally are really incredibly stupid and / or malicious people.  Just sayin' like.

If you have to resort to name calling I'm afraid you've lost the argument Alfie.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2017, 01:21:19 PM »
If you have to resort to name calling I'm afraid you've lost the argument Alfie.
I didn't call anyone here a name, just stated my opinion.

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2017, 01:22:51 PM »
No matter which way you slice it Benice Kate lied because if the fact that the PJ were doing forensics on their villa got out then the world and his wife would know that they were under suspicion of playing a part in their daughter's disappearance. It was a face-saving excercise, no more, no less. And if they can use that tactic once........!
And she admitted it in her book, proving what an honest woman she is, keen to set the record straight.   

Offline John

Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2017, 01:31:08 PM »
Instead of making up a story of fiction the McCann's should have embraced the event if they had nothing to hide and reveal publicly to the press what was going on.  Unfortunately, we have seen throughout the original investigaation an arrogance seldom seen in missing child cases and it is this arrogance which tends to lead police down a particular road.

If my child was missing I would have been a police HQ every day conversing with those leading the enquiries and giving every possible assistance to them.  Not so in this case apparently?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Alfie

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Re: What advantage was achieved by lying about the Huelva trip?
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2017, 01:32:36 PM »
Instead of making up a story of fiction the McCann's should have embraced the event if they had nothing to hide and reveal publicly to the press what was going on.  Unfortunately, we have seen throughout the original investigaation an arrogance seldom seen in missing child cases and it is this arrogance which tends to lead police down a particular road.

If my child was missing I would have been a police HQ every day conversing with those leading the enquiries and giving every possible assistance to them.  Not so in this case apparently?
so you think the McCanns should have breached judicial secrecy about the case to the world's press do you?