Author Topic: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?  (Read 150058 times)

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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2017, 07:04:34 PM »
Matt Oldfield confirmed the patio door was unlocked.

Maybe it was by the time he arrived. That has no bearing on the door's condition at 2105.
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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2017, 07:05:52 PM »
The most logical explanation is the statements are innaccurate

Why?
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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2017, 07:06:00 PM »
Maybe it was by the time he arrived. That has no bearing on the door's condition at 2105.
So the door was unlocked at the time of Matt's check, allowing time for an abductor to enter thereafter. Fine.  At least we can rule out the possibility of Madeleine plunging to her death before 9.05pm then!

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2017, 07:09:20 PM »
So the door was unlocked at the time of Matt's check, allowing time for an abductor to enter thereafter. Fine.

Maybe.
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Offline jassi

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2017, 07:11:02 PM »
Which leads to the conclusion that Tanner never saw Madeleine being carried away - as confirmed by SY, of course.
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Alfie

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Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2017, 07:13:08 PM »
Maybe.
Surely not!  According to you there has never been an abduction theory that is plausible or logical so if the apartment was unlocked and there was a window of opportunity for an abductor to strike after Matt's check then your claim is looking less...er plausible. 

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2017, 07:31:04 PM »
Surely not!  According to you there has never been an abduction theory that is plausible or logical so if the apartment was unlocked and there was a window of opportunity for an abductor to strike after Matt's check then your claim is looking less...er plausible.

When someone can give me exact times for each check, verified by independent witnesses then there may be a window of opportunity. As no-one can do that no-one can claim the 'window' existed.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2017, 07:42:05 PM »
It would really help if you learned to read things carefully:
Matt Oldfield's Rog
4078 'And you said when you went in you went in through the patio door''
Reply 'Yeah'
 
4078 'Or the poolside door''
Reply 'Yeah'.
 
4078 'How did you know to go through there''
Reply 'Well Kate said that that one was open'.

 
4078 'And when did she say that''
Reply 'When I offered to go and, erm, go and look'.
4078 'Okay'.
They were very good questions by the interviewer, but as Jassie said  he has had plenty of time to offer that answer and it didn't come out without the prompting. I'm putting a question mark alongside that one.
I wonder if anyone can confirm that part of the conversation?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2017, 07:55:02 PM »
When someone can give me exact times for each check, verified by independent witnesses then there may be a window of opportunity. As no-one can do that no-one can claim the 'window' existed.
No matter when the checks occurred there will be time gaps between them.  Your argument seems pointless.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2017, 07:59:07 PM »
I never denied the possibility, so that's no breakthrough, I just don't accept that it is the only possibility.
We hardly know what others think so it is welcome to know what you are thinking.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2017, 08:00:22 PM »
That's the point, Gerry didn't lie in his first statement. However between that statement and his subsequent one he realised that if he had used the main door he would have to have seen the open window so the claim had to be changed.
That is the worst logic I've ever read.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2017, 08:02:52 PM »
I agree there's no credible reason for Gerry to use the locked door if an unlocked door was nearer. The only reason he would use the locked door is if the other door was also locked. All the excuses about 'misunderstandings' are conjecture. The facts are in the statements and are not clarified therefore it can't be said that the patio door being open at 9.05 is a 'fact'.
You mean closed but unlocked really don't you?  Open has the greater potential for Madeleine to have wandered.
Closing the door has the advantage of keeping the moths out.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2017, 08:04:47 PM »
Maybe it was by the time he arrived. That has no bearing on the door's condition at 2105.
How would Kate be able to tell him it was unlocked then if this was the case?  She would have needed to give him the keys for there was the uncertainty.
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Offline jassi

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2017, 08:24:10 PM »
You mean closed but unlocked really don't you?  Open has the greater potential for Madeleine to have wandered.
Closing the door has the advantage of keeping the moths out.

I think that somewhere it is described as being slightly open so that fingers could be inserted to open it further, there being no handle on the outside.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?
« Reply #74 on: January 19, 2017, 08:31:21 PM »
I think that somewhere it is described as being slightly open so that fingers could be inserted to open it further, there being no handle on the outside.
Is that true?  Then Kate needed to explain that to Matt as well. 
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