Is there a plausible, logical theory of abduction?

[Alfie]

Subjecting this to logic you appear to be saying that as the only fingerprint identified on the window was Kate's, this means Kate exited 5A by the children's window.

That idea does not get off the ground.

You sure do some twisted logic.  You claim it is possible for Madeleine to have raised the shutter, and slide open the window.  I am asking how she achieved this without leaving fingerprints behind, nothing to do with Kate.  Do you think it's possible for a small child to achieve these things without leaving fingerprints, or do you think its possible that she left fingerprints but these were not discovered by the forensic team?

[Alfie]

It's your theory, you tell me.

Well for one thing they would have observed that the McCanns left their children alone every night for several nights in a row to have dinner in the Tapas Restaurant. 

[Alfie]

A four-year-old will react very differently to a younger child and especially if she is startled by an intruder in strange surroundings.  Every child is different though so your experiment would be futile.

If every child is different how do you know for certain that madeleine would scream the place down on being picked up from her bed while asleep?

[John]

If every child is different how do you know for certain that madeleine would scream the place down on being picked up from her bed while asleep?

Admittedly we can't be sure.

[ShiningInLuz]

You sure do some twisted logic.  You claim it is possible for Madeleine to have raised the shutter, and slide open the window.  I am asking how she achieved this without leaving fingerprints behind, nothing to do with Kate.  Do you think it's possible for a small child to achieve these things without leaving fingerprints, or do you think its possible that she left fingerprints but these were not discovered by the forensic team?

I don't think that Madeleine had the capability.  I know that Madeleine had the capability.

What I don't know is whether Madeleine exercised this capability.

[Alfie]

I don't think that Madeleine had the capability.  I know that Madeleine had the capability.

What I don't know is whether Madeleine exercised this capability.

IMO it is arrogance personified to presume to know what someone else's child can and cannot do, especially in a room that you have never entered, and a window and shutters you have not personally tested.

[G-Unit]

Well for one thing they would have observed that the McCanns left their children alone every night for several nights in a row to have dinner in the Tapas Restaurant.

To deduce that they would need to have observed both entrances to 5A from the time the McCann family returned before bed to the time the couple left for the restaurant. One person wouldn't be able to watch both doors, so there must have been two people lurking about for a couple of hours every evening in daylight. No-one noticed them, though.

[Eleanor]

To deduce that they would need to have observed both entrances to 5A from the time the McCann family returned before bed to the time the couple left for the restaurant. One person wouldn't be able to watch both doors, so there must have been two people lurking about for a couple of hours every evening in daylight. No-one noticed them, though.

The balcony across the road where all of the cigarette buts were found.

[John]

The balcony across the road where all of the cigarette buts were found.

This would appear to be a view from the block opposite where both front and back doors can be observed at the same time.



Night-time view to the rear door and car park.  Front entrance gate to the left just out of shot.



Day-time and same view towards front gate and patio entrance.

[Alice Purjorick]

This would appear to be a view from the block opposite where both front and back doors can be observed at the same time.



Night-time view to the rear door and car park.  Front entrance gate to the left just out of shot.



Day-time and same view towards front gate and patio entrance.

Can you show the lines of sight on a plan view which includes the front door?

[ShiningInLuz]

IMO it is arrogance personified to presume to know what someone else's child can and cannot do, especially in a room that you have never entered, and a window and shutters you have not personally tested.

Simple mechanics.

"Don't you forget about me."

Sorry, I can't do a relevant song about arrogance personified.  "A little less conversation, a little more action" springs to mind.

The problem with this is that today's key development took place in a conversation over breakfast and coffee in Burgau.

And just for the record, it is/was not ShiningInLuz.  It has been chucking it down all day in Luz and Burgau, and it still is.  Breakfast and coffee were indoors, due to the rain and wind.

No doubt the farmers of the Algarve were loving it as the reservoirs got topped up for 2017.  In my personal case, I do not need to water my strawberry plants or our miniature olive tree.  "Always look on the bright side of life."

I learned a lot of new information today.  What I haven't yet worked out is how to put this into the public domain without disrespecting the source.

Cue the theme from "The Sweeney".

[Alice Purjorick]

Well for one thing they would have observed that the McCanns left their children alone every night for several nights in a row to have dinner in the Tapas Restaurant.

What is the incidence of child abduction by stranger from an apartment, following several days observation?

[ferryman]

What is the incidence of child abduction by stranger from an apartment, following several days observation?

I doubt it's happened more than once that a little girl was abducted from the bath of her home while all the family was at home.

But it's certainly happened.

[Benice]

On the very simple basis that nobody has been able to point to any evidence to support an abduction from the apartment.  The McCanns saying oh she was there when we left but is now gone carries little weight imo.

Abduction from the street is another matter. A child who has been shown to be unsettled at night when her parents are out enjoying themselves, a patio door left unlocked, an unlocked gate leading to a public road just metres away.  Then we have an established FRESH scent trail from the apartment down the street, across it to a car park where it mysteriously stops. That all adds up to me.

According to Kate -  Madeleine only ever woke up and went into their room late into the night and never woke up during the first few hours after first going to sleep.  That is one of the main reasons IMO why they felt confident in leaving her for short periods of time.      That pattern of not waking up in the hours immediately after going to bed was confirmed by the babysitters back in Rothley.

I totally believe Kate when she said she found the shutters and window open, and I don't believe Madeleine was capable of doing that, so for me - abduction is the only possibility.   If it was staged  to convince the police that an intruder had broken in via that way -  then imo two intelligent people would have made a much better job of the staging, and they would not have allowed the window/shutters to be closed before the police arrived.

[Alfie]

Simple mechanics.

"Don't you forget about me."

Sorry, I can't do a relevant song about arrogance personified.  "A little less conversation, a little more action" springs to mind.

The problem with this is that today's key development took place in a conversation over breakfast and coffee in Burgau.

And just for the record, it is/was not ShiningInLuz.  It has been chucking it down all day in Luz and Burgau, and it still is.  Breakfast and coffee were indoors, due to the rain and wind.

No doubt the farmers of the Algarve were loving it as the reservoirs got topped up for 2017.  In my personal case, I do not need to water my strawberry plants or our miniature olive tree.  "Always look on the bright side of life."

I learned a lot of new information today.  What I haven't yet worked out is how to put this into the public domain without disrespecting the source.

Cue the theme from "The Sweeney".

What a load of off-topic waffle. 

Tell me, do you know what Madeleine is and isn't capable of better than her own mother, if so why?