Have the dog alerts any significance?

[stephen25000]

Grime says Eddie was trained on human remains in America,  and came away with the name 'Enhanced'  cadaver dog,  yet he also says Eddie couldn't tell the difference between pig and human remains,  so  I fail to see why Eddie had the name 'Enhanced'  at all.

Well take that up with the head of the training scheme in America.

[Lace]

So true,especially when we have the judge in the McCann V Amaral judgement back in 2015 stating as proven facts that the dog alerted to cadaver in 5a and the hire car.

Sorry,   didn't it just prove that the alerts were written in the book that Amaral wrote?  NOT that Eddie alerted to cadaver in 5a.

[Lace]

Well take that up with the head of the training scheme in America.

Why?   cadaver dogs in America are trained on human remains,  I don't think they are trained on pig remains are they?    Eddie was trained on pig remains and couldn't tell the difference between the two.

[stephen25000]

Why?   cadaver dogs in America are trained on human remains,  I don't think they are trained on pig remains are they?    Eddie was trained on pig remains and couldn't tell the difference between the two.

Why do you and others have this thing for pigs ?

There is absolutely no evidence of any pig contamination in the McCann case.

[stephen25000]

The dogs indicated in several places, with materials or places related to the McCann's.

The alerts were not corroborated or dismissed.

[Angelo222]

Necessity is the mother of invention as they say. I find the mental gymnastics quite amusing though. I wonder if any dog trainers/handlers read here for amusement?

This summarized description raises a question that we would like to see answered: could the dog be 'marking' not the odours emanated from a cadaver, directly or indirectly (by contagious), but from blood in putrefaction'

These dogs are means for obtaining proof but they cannot be used as proof. They must be taken as instruments. Any vestige, even invisible to the eye, recovered with the use of these dogs, has to be subjected to forensic exam on a credited laboratory.

It is the same Martin Grime that, at pages 2271, refers on his report: 'Although it cannot constitute proof admissible to court, it can help on the recovery of intelligence for the investigation of serious crimes'.

In this case the dogs signalled several places. The technicians of the Scientific Police Laboratory recovered those vestiges ' vestiges that that on it's majority were not visible to the eye ' and sent them to the laboratories for the necessary forensic exams, in order to recover and identify the DNA profiles, that might be extracted from them.

From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

On one of the films, it's possible to see that 'Eddie' sniffs Madeleine's cuddle cat, more than once, bites it, throws it into the air and only after the toy is hidden does he 'mark' it (page 2099). Whys didn't he signal it when he sniffs it on the first time'

Apart from all that was said about the dogs, we must also take into attention the results of the forensic analysis that was performed by the experts on the Scientific Police Laboratory on the day immediately after the facts, and already mentioned where no vestige of blood was found.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm

Having viewed that footage of Eddie and Cuddlecat many times I think he reverted to play mode with the toy.  I certainly don't view the interaction with the toy as any sort of alert.

[Angelo222]

Typing out your repeated cliches won't help.

The dogs indicated in several places, with materials or places related to the McCann's.

The alerts were not corroborated or dismissed.

According to the files the dog inspection of the Murat villa  returned very little of consequence yet the inspections of 5a, the rental villa and the McCann clothing returned several alerts.  Was this simply an unfortunate coincidence?

Same thing in the underground garage, the dog only alerts to the Scenic and ignores all the other cars.  When does it all become a coincidence too far?

[stephen25000]

According to the files the dog inspection of the Murat villa  returned very little of consequence yet the inspections of 5a, the rental villa and the McCann clothing returned several alerts.  Was this simply an unfortunate coincidence?

Same thing in the underground garage, the dog only alerts to the Scenic and ignores all the other cars.  When does it all become a coincidence too far?

So some would have us believe.

[Lace]

As Eddie alerts to blood from a living person too,  I find it hard to believe that there was no blood at all in any of the other apartments,  or any of the other cars.

[Robittybob1]

According to the files the dog inspection of the Murat villa  returned very little of consequence yet the inspections of 5a, the rental villa and the McCann clothing returned several alerts.  Was this simply an unfortunate coincidence?

Same thing in the underground garage, the dog only alerts to the Scenic and ignores all the other cars.  When does it all become a coincidence too far?

The alerts on their own don't tell the story.  No name, no dates, no motive,  no reason, it is only intelligence and its never evidence.

As Eddie alerts to blood from a living person too,  I find it hard to believe that there was no blood at all in any of the other apartments,  or any of the other cars.

Lace you are wrong Eddie alerts to cadaver odour, and blood that is putrefied.

[Lace]

The alerts on their own don't tell the story.  No name, no dates, no motive,  no reason, it is only intelligence and its never evidence.Lace you are wrong Eddie alerts to cadaver odour, and blood that is putrefied.

Eddie alerted to the blood on the key fob that belonged to Gerry and he is alive.

[Robittybob1]

Eddie alerted to the blood on the key fob that belonged to Gerry and he is alive.

Did Keela and Eddie alert to the same key fob?  There is no reason why the same key fob can't have blood on it and cadaver odour on it too.

[barrier]

Sorry,   didn't it just prove that the alerts were written in the book that Amaral wrote?  NOT that Eddie alerted to cadaver in 5a.

Best ask the judge,they came under the heading of proved facts. Nos 6 and 7.

6. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in the apartment 5A, Ocean Club [alínea AR) of the undisputed facts].

7. The British police dogs “Eddie” and “Keela” detected human blood and cadaver in a vehicle rented by the claimants after the disappearance of MMC [alínea AS) of the undisputed facts].

What would be nice is for a dog doubter to bring a cite declaring that the dogs didn't alert in the said apartment and hire car.

[ferryman]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm


Having viewed that footage of Eddie and Cuddlecat many times I think he reverted to play mode with the toy.  I certainly don't view the interaction with the toy as any sort of alert.

Martin Grime's rogatory interview:

'Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog''

The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

(Martin Grime).

[Robittybob1]

Martin Grime's rogatory interview:

(Martin Grime).

But no tests were ever performed on Cuddle Cat were there.
"The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy."
I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy was this because there was no tests done?