Have the dog alerts any significance?

[Angelo222]

Was Eddie also trained to remember where he had already alerted? In 5a, when he is taken back into the parents' bedroom where he has alerted beside the wardrobe, he fails to alert in the same place a second time.(see video from 21m) http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3076.0

In such a situation a very useful exercise would have been to repeat the inspections in reverse the follow day in order to validate the original alerts.

[Robittybob1]

In such a situation a very useful exercise would have been to repeat the inspections in reverse the follow day in order to validate the original alerts.

I can't see why that would not work.  OK it would double the cost of hiring the dogs.   We would still need corroborating evidence.

[ferryman]

But no tests were ever performed on Cuddle Cat were there.
"The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy."
I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy was this because there was no tests done?

No.

(To the bit in bold).

That is, what you say is correct.

[Mr Gray]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ANALYSIS-11-VOLUMES.htm


Having viewed that footage of Eddie and Cuddlecat many times I think he reverted to play mode with the toy.  I certainly don't view the interaction with the toy as any sort of alert.

Excellent post Angelo...about your best ever and Im absolutely serious...


Grime says...


Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog''
The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

so grime says eddie alerted to the toy...you say he didnt....i'm with you

tHe alerts are very subjective...not at all cut and dried ....thats why as evidence they are absolutely useless

[Angelo222]

Martin Grime's rogatory interview:

(Martin Grime).

Thank you ferryman but I think Eddie thought he was on a jolly and a cuddly toy was a nice distraction evidenced by him playing with it on the villa lounge floor.  Was picking it up out of the toy box and throwing it around part of any training?  Me thinks not and thereafter hiding it in the sideboard cupboard was only asking for trouble.

[ferryman]

Thank you ferryman but I think Eddie thought he was on a jolly and a cuddly toy was a nice distraction evidenced by him playing with it on the villa lounge floor.  Was picking it up out of the toy box and throwing it around part of any training?  Me thinks not and thereafter hiding it in the sideboard cupboard was only asking for trouble.

I'm certainly with you on that.

[Alice Purjorick]

Is there an expert way of doing things or a forumnite's opinion on how it should be done.

Yeah!
Plenty of stuff published in the US and Canada but the experts on here don't like most of it.

[Angelo222]

Excellent post Angelo...about your best ever and Im absolutely serious...


Grime says...


Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog''
The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

so grime says eddie alerted to the toy...you say he didnt....i'm with you

tHe alerts are very subjective...not at all cut and dried ....thats why as evidence they are absolutely useless

For once I agree with you and I'm pleased you accept the so-called alerts are evidence of a sort but unreliable without forensic corroboration.

[Angelo222]

Is there an expert way of doing things or a forumnite's opinion on how it should be done.

Regardless, the operation in Luz was clearly compromised on so many levels.  The boxing of suspect clothing and the way it was thereafter treated was a friggin joke imo.

[Mr Gray]

evidence
ˈɛvɪd(ə)ns/Submit
noun
1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

i cant relly see that as the alerts are unreliable tehy can be regarded as any type of evidence. As they are unreliable they cannot support any proposition

[Angelo222]

If other evidence is found then the dog alerts take on a whole new life.

[Mr Gray]

If other evidence is found then the dog alerts take on a whole new life.

no coincidenses at all
certainl IF other evidence is found but it will be the other evidence that is important not the useless alerts

[Mr Gray]

If you believe in coincidences possibly?  If other evidence is found then the dog alerts take on a whole new life.

you have questioned the alert to cuddle cat so you admit the alerts are questionable

[Angelo222]

no coincidenses at all
certainl IF other evidence is found but it will be the other evidence that is important not the useless alerts

That is how a case is built, various forms of evidence are put together to form proof.

[Mr Gray]

That is how a case is built, various forms of evidence are put together to form proof.

Tell me how the alerts can play any art in that
They totally cannot
Tell me what evidence might be found that would make the alerts useful
There is none
Even if a body was found that would not indicate death in the apartment