Have the dog alerts any significance?

[Admin]

Martin was kind enough to supply several answers to questions including those pertaining to Eddie's death, the confirmed date of his retirement from the police, the dogsdontlie website, the role of the USA versus the UK in cadaver dog techniques, Eddie's behaviour in the gym including the fact that the underground car park had been swept for scent prior to the cars being brought in.

Grime "Everyone should bear in mind that should a trial come to pass I will be required to give evidence.

The process of asking me questions etc will only jeopardize criminal proceedings.

Whilst I understand people's interest in the case I cannot be a part of the discussions .... "

It is such a long time since those conversations took place I had forgotten about them.

[sadie]

I am sorry I dont have the energy to do this myself, but maybe someone has.

I notice there is a

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm .... and also a ....
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_ROGATORY.htm

Are they the same ?   Why the different spelling for ROGATORY?   Anyone know?

[ShiningInLuz]

I am sorry I dont have the energy to do this myself, but maybe someone has.

I notice there is a

http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm .... and also a ....
http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_ROGATORY.htm

Are they the same ?   Why the different spelling for ROGATORY?   Anyone know?

Rigatory works.  Rogatotory does not - error 404 not found.  The I key and the O key are adjacent on my Portuguese keyboard.

Just a minor typo.

[Robittybob1]

Read that article and make your point again.
When I read it I notice where the confusion occurs "'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the dog was conducted using human blood and stillborn decomposing piglets. "

It is the word decomposed that should be ahead of the words "human remains and body fluids including blood".

But remember that a cadaver even 1.5 hour after death will be producing cadaver odour detectable to Eddie, and that carcase would still be OK for human consumption in terms of a breakdown at a slaughterhouse.  Because humans don't sense cadaver odour we would not notice such low levels of cadaverine and putrescine.

[Lace]

But remember that a cadaver even 1.5 hour after death will be producing cadaver odour detectable to Eddie, and that carcase would still be OK for human consumption in terms of a breakdown at a slaughterhouse.  Because humans don't sense cadaver odour we would not notice such low levels of cadaverine and putrescine.

You just answered yourself there Rob LOL.

[Lace]

Read that article and make your point again.
When I read it I notice where the confusion occurs "'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the dog was conducted using human blood and stillborn decomposing piglets. "

It is the word decomposed that should be ahead of the words "human remains and body fluids including blood".

Grime says Eddie will alert to dried blood and that is what he alerted to the key fob.

[Robittybob1]

Grime says Eddie will alert to dried blood and that is what he alerted to the key fob.

How do you know there was not traces of cadaver odour on it, that Eddie alerted to?

[Mr Gray]

How do you know there was not traces of cadaver odour on it, that Eddie alerted to?

That's the point
No one really knows
A complete dogs dinner
But it's not important because the real role and value of the dogs is finding evidence and that's exactly what Grime says

[Lace]

How do you know there was not traces of cadaver odour on it, that Eddie alerted to?

A bit of a coincidence don't you think?

[John]

How do you know there was not traces of cadaver odour on it, that Eddie alerted to?

Both Eddie and Keela alerting to the keyfob indicates human blood was on it but I take your point, cadaver odour and lots more could also have been on it...as davel states, we just don't know.

[ferryman]

Both Eddie and Keela alerting to the keyfob indicates human blood was on it but I take your point, cadaver odour and lots more could also have been on it...as davel states, we just don't know.

Forensics confirmed the provenance as Gerry.

[John]

Forensics confirmed the provenance as Gerry.

As Robbie has pointed out cadaver odour could very well have been present as well as blood.  Secondary transfer to a key fob is extremely easy if one thinks about it.

[John]

Except that we know from the (corrupted) account (PdL) of the inspection in the gym how these inspections are supposed to be conducted.

You get the dog to reconnoitre an area beforehand; then you introduce whatever you want the dog to examine, so that you can be sure that the area is free of pre-existing scents.

Thereby, you increase assurity that if the dog alerts, the alert is to what you have introduced, not to any extraneous scent.

And preferably without the dog trampling all over stuff it tasked to inspect, or picking it up in its mouth.

Sorry for going back a week but I recently saw confirmation from the dog handler that the garage and the gym were forensically swept by the dogs prior to the cars and clothing being brought in. Seems you jumped to the wrong conclusion in your rush to criticise.

[John]

Are you denying it?

Cadaver odour could very well have been present since it is nearly impossible to isolate for forensic purposes.

[Robittybob1]

Grime says Eddie will alert to dried blood and that is what he alerted to the key fob.

I'll repeat it too: "Read that article and make your point again.
When I read it I notice where the confusion occurs "'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the dog was conducted using human blood and stillborn decomposing piglets. "

It is the word decomposed that should be ahead of the words "human remains and body fluids including blood".