Have the dog alerts any significance?

[misty]

The police searched the house and grounds of Soham Village College where they found items of interest to their investigation. Huntley and Carr were arrested a few hours later on suspicion of murder. The bodies were found a few hours after that.
We know Mitchell and Campbell were around....

That doesn't answer either of my questions, Alice.

[Alice Purjorick]

That doesn't answer either of my questions, Alice.

I am not sure there is an answer.
If one Googles Soham Murders linked with PC Grime and/or CSI dogs one is inundated with hits on Madeleine McCann sites.
Nuff said in my book..

[pathfinder73]

British police inspector Mark Harrison, of the National Centre for Police Excellence (NCPE), said the hounds had been used in the hunt for the murderer of Holly Wells (10) and Jessica Chapman (10) in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in August 2002.

The dogs ultimately helped bring 29-year-old school caretaker Ian Huntley to justice.

"The dogs that we have here include two from South Yorkshire Police and one of those is the only one in the world trained to detect human blood," said Insp Harrison. "The other is a victim recovery dog and helps us find human remains."

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/top-dog-team-used-to-help-gardai-sniff-out-clues-26360760.html

2 June 2005

One of the dogs is the only one in the world trained to sniff out human blood.

In a joint operation between the FBI and Britain's National Crimes and Operations Faculty, the dogs have all been trained to sniff out scents which are weeks or even months old.

Det Insp Harrison said the dogs are presented with a scent which they then try to follow.

He said: "Many people think in the 21st century machines are the answer, not something hairy and smelly like a dog, but our tests show us that there is no machine that can come anywhere close to what these dogs can do.

"The scent is collected in a scientific way using a machine and the dogs will take the scent not off a person but will smell what we call a scent pad.

"Sometimes the scent hasn't even come into contact with the person. We have a machine which can suck a specific scent from the air and the dogs will follow that."

Det Insp Harrison has been involved in a number of high-profile cases. He co-ordinated a team of sniffer dogs in the search for Bromham teenager Tom Potter who went missing in January this year. His body was later found in the River Great Ouse.

He was also played a major role in the Soham murder investigation, leading three forensic teams and 20 officers in a fingertip probe of killer Ian Huntley's home. Before that he was involved in the operations to try and find Surrey schoolgirl Mily Dowler and Essex teenager Danielle Jones.

Last year Det Insp Harrison was awarded the MBE for his work in helping track down missing people.

Read more at: http://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/news/specialist-joins-hunt-for-abigail-s-attacker-1-1086115

Tom Potter went missing in January and tracker dogs led police to the river.

A diving team failed to find him but a walker spotted the body several weeks later and police believe he may have been trying to find a short cut.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4243018.stm

[misty]

None of those cases answers my questions, Pathfinder.

[pathfinder73]

I wasn't answering your questions. The dog alerts in this case are very significant. If these dogs alert then the police pay close attention and follow it up. Martin Grime won't be allowed to answer questions on the case.

[slartibartfast]

None of those cases answers my questions, Pathfinder.

As you brought it up, shouldn't you be looking for the answere

[misty]

As you brought it up, shouldn't you be looking for the answere

In the absence of anything to the contrary it would appear the dogs were not instrumental in finding cadaver odour in Huntley's house or car - otherwise we'd have heard all about it.
I'm open to cites proving otherwise.

[Alice Purjorick]

In the absence of anything to the contrary it would appear the dogs were not instrumental in finding cadaver odour in Huntley's house or car - otherwise we'd have heard all about it.
I'm open to cites proving otherwise.

I don't suppose for one minute that the police considered your "we" important enough to be on the list of people who must be informed.

[ferryman]

In the absence of anything to the contrary it would appear the dogs were not instrumental in finding cadaver odour in Huntley's house or car - otherwise we'd have heard all about it.
I'm open to cites proving otherwise.

I'd agree with that, although, with the cyber-criminals who stalk this neck of cyber-space, who know how to manipulate and distort google, I wouldn't rule out some link, apparently, 'proving' that they did, suddenly appearing:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4096682/How-Google-refused-vile-slurs-branding-child-murderer-ESTHER-RANTZEN-faceless-trolls-threatened-charity-work-backed-search-engine-public-role.html

Sic:

 

He explained that someone working for him — a young person who wanted to know more about my career — had Googled my name and been horrified by what he’d uncovered.

Directly beneath Wikipedia’s biography of me was the link to a shocking website. It included a lengthy diatribe which, among other lurid allegations, accused me of satanic child abuse, child murder, burying dead babies in my garden, holding drug-fuelled sex parties, covering up the crimes of well-known paedophiles, and creating Childline (the confidential helpline I set up in 1986 which has now helped four-and-a-half million children) as a front organisation whose sole purpose was to filter out accusations of abuse by celebrities.

These trolls could have wrecked my charity work
Anyone reading this poisonous filth, the website shrieked with rage, would be astonished that I had not been arrested for all these crimes long ago.

No wonder my colleague was deeply concerned when he read it. Not just because of the reputational damage it could do me personally, but because of the real harm it would do to the causes I care about, especially the work I have done with Childline for the past 30 years to protect children from abuse.

[sadie]

I'd agree with that, although, with the cyber-criminals who stalk this neck of cyber-space, who know how to manipulate and distort google, I wouldn't rule out some link, apparently, 'proving' that they did, suddenly appearing:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4096682/How-Google-refused-vile-slurs-branding-child-murderer-ESTHER-RANTZEN-faceless-trolls-threatened-charity-work-backed-search-engine-public-role.html

Sic:

I am so glad that others, (well you ferryman, anyway), are noticing what is happening on the internet at the hands of cyber-criminals.   I have been "going on" about the fraudulence of parts of the internet for years now, but I thought that I was a lone voice. 

1.  Processos 807-808 was altered, with the road name Rua Andre de Castro being changed to another name, so that it was unrecognisable.  Nobody would be able to go and walk that now unrecognidable street, as i did, to check out the errors in 807-808.   and to assess other places of potential interest nearby.    .Also a question mark was inserted, or taken out, at will.   The fact that this Processos had so many seeming errors and also was manipulated to hide thing, adds to my suspicion that this place was of interest ... and that it was Madeleine that was there.

2.  Even Google Earth is altered with certain places suddenly being hidden under a little cloud, or similar.   
And when you try to follow the yellow route line on Google Street Scene to a suspicious place, the yellow line suddenly veers off away from the place where it is supposed to be going .... and away from the "interesting " place that you are trying to look at

... or it completely jumps that bit and "picks up" again farther along ... or it refuses to go any further along the street scene route as indicated earlier (blue line) on regular GE.  This only seems to happen at suspicious places ... so that you cant see them?

[sadie]

I am so glad that others, (well you ferryman, anyway), are noticing what is happening on the internet at the hands of cyber-criminals.   I have been "going on" about the fraudulence of parts of the internet for years now, but I thought that I was a lone voice. 

1.  Processos 807-808 was altered, with the road name Rua Andre de Castro being changed to another name, so that it was unrecognisable.  Nobody would be able to go an walk that now unrecognidable street, as i did, to check out the errors in 807-808.   and to assess other places of potential interst nearby.    .Also a question mark was inserted or taken out at will.   The fact that this Processos had so many seeming errors and also was manipulated to hide thing, adds to my suspicion that this place was of interest ... and that it was Madeleine that was there.

2.  Even Google Earth is altered with certain places suddenly being hidden under a little cloud, or similar.   
And when you try to follow the yellow route line on Google Street Scene to a suspicious place, the yellow line suddenly veers off away from the place where it is supposed to be going .... and away from the "interesting " place that you are trying to look at

... or it completely jumps that bit and "picks up" again farther along ... or it refuses to go any further along the street scene route as indicated earlier (blue line) on regular GE.  This only seems to happen at suspicious places ... so that you cant see them?

3.  I have noticed that, in some cases, if a relative stranger to the case googles a topic to do with the case, the whole of the first few pages are given over to the webpages of groups / forums that are aggressive to The Mccanns.  So the stranger to the case never gets to read any webpages supportive of The Mccanns.   They only see one side of the discussion, much of which is myths ... and that is unjust.


4.  Also images get their names altered in a minute way, such as adding a fullstop.  Then the images will not open.

Or in one case, on another forum, I had posted a pleasant image of Joana Cipriano and it had later been changed for a sexy looking image of a busty, over-made-up woman in a nearly " not covering the big boobs " blouse

[sadie]

3.  I have noticed that, in some cases, if a relative stranger to the case googles a topic to do with the case, the whole of the first few pages are given over to the webpages of groups / forums that are aggressive to The Mccanns.  So the stranger to the case never gets to read any webpages supportive of The Mccanns.   They only see one side of the discussion, much of which is myths ... and that is unjust.


4.  Also images get their names altered in a minute way, such as adding a fullstop.  Then the images will not open.

Or in one case, on another forum, I had posted a pleasant image of Joana Cipriano and it had later been changed for a sexy looking image of a busty, over-made-up woman in a nearly " not covering the big boobs " blouse

The internet is a dangerous and unfair place.  Anything that we write can be changed by cyber criminals able to manipulate and change.   A determined protest needs to happen to show our disgust against the injustices of these practices, because unless something is done about it now, soon it will be too late.   The Mccanns have already suffered too much as a result of the alterations, as it seems Esther Rantzen has too.
 
As I said,  soon it will be too late.

Maybe it already is ?

[ferryman]

British police inspector Mark Harrison, of the National Centre for Police Excellence (NCPE), said the hounds had been used in the hunt for the murderer of Holly Wells (10) and Jessica Chapman (10) in Soham, Cambridgeshire, in August 2002.

The dogs ultimately helped bring 29-year-old school caretaker Ian Huntley to justice.

"The dogs that we have here include two from South Yorkshire Police and one of those is the only one in the world trained to detect human blood," said Insp Harrison. "The other is a victim recovery dog and helps us find human remains."

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/top-dog-team-used-to-help-gardai-sniff-out-clues-26360760.html

2 June 2005

One of the dogs is the only one in the world trained to sniff out human blood.

In a joint operation between the FBI and Britain's National Crimes and Operations Faculty, the dogs have all been trained to sniff out scents which are weeks or even months old.

Det Insp Harrison said the dogs are presented with a scent which they then try to follow.

He said: "Many people think in the 21st century machines are the answer, not something hairy and smelly like a dog, but our tests show us that there is no machine that can come anywhere close to what these dogs can do.

"The scent is collected in a scientific way using a machine and the dogs will take the scent not off a person but will smell what we call a scent pad.

"Sometimes the scent hasn't even come into contact with the person. We have a machine which can suck a specific scent from the air and the dogs will follow that."

Det Insp Harrison has been involved in a number of high-profile cases. He co-ordinated a team of sniffer dogs in the search for Bromham teenager Tom Potter who went missing in January this year. His body was later found in the River Great Ouse.

He was also played a major role in the Soham murder investigation, leading three forensic teams and 20 officers in a fingertip probe of killer Ian Huntley's home. Before that he was involved in the operations to try and find Surrey schoolgirl Mily Dowler and Essex teenager Danielle Jones.

Last year Det Insp Harrison was awarded the MBE for his work in helping track down missing people.

Read more at: http://www.bedfordtoday.co.uk/news/specialist-joins-hunt-for-abigail-s-attacker-1-1086115

Tom Potter went missing in January and tracker dogs led police to the river.

A diving team failed to find him but a walker spotted the body several weeks later and police believe he may have been trying to find a short cut.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/4243018.stm

I'm far from convinced any dogs were involved in the investigation and one certainty is that, in 2008, the crime remained unsolved:

at, May 10, 2008, 01:00
 
BACKGROUND:Fundamental questions about how the victim died and where she died remain unanswered, writes RONAN McGREEVY.
MEG WALSH died an horrendous death. The blows that killed her had broken her skull into pieces, and some of those fragments were found in her brain.
It had been like "hitting a boiled egg", State Pathologist Dr Marie Cassidy told the jury.
There was evidence of injuries to her head, shoulder and right arm as if she had been involved in a terrible struggle.
Meg Walsh disappeared on Sunday, October 1st, 2006.
The last independent sighting of her alive was noon that day when a neighbour, Nicky Farrell, observed her in an upstairs bedroom putting clothes away. The last activity from Meg's mobile phone was just before 2pm that day when she accessed her messaging service.
Mr O'Brien said she left home at about 8.30pm on Sunday evening and drove off. She was never seen again.
The alarm was raised by Noel Power, Ms Walsh's employer at Meadow Court Homes Ltd, on the following morning when Ms Walsh did not turn up for work.
Despite an extensive Garda investigation and a lengthy trial, what happened to Meg Walsh on that Sunday has never been established.
Fundamental questions about how she died, where she died and when her body was dumped in the River Suir remain unanswered.
Instead, the prosecution depended on circumstantial evidence in their attempt to bring a case against her husband.
O'Brien first met Meg Walsh in Crete in 2000 when she was on holiday with her then husband Colman Keating.
The couple began an affair and she moved to Waterford in 2001. They married in October 2005. He too had been previously married.
There was evidence presented to the trial that their marriage was in trouble.
Ten days before she disappeared, Mr O'Brien assaulted his wife following an argument the couple had when they were out with his parents. Mr O'Brien admitted that "he lost it" with his wife on the night of September 20th.
Two days later Meg Walsh presented herself to her GP, Dr Bernadette O'Leary, with bruises and swelling to the backs of her hands and her right shoulder.
She also reported the assault to the Garda, but declined to press charges. Instead, she contacted her solicitor and bank manager about having the house transferred into her name.
Mr O'Brien told the jury that, following the assault, he had agreed to sign over the house to her "just to prove it would never happen again" and had agreed to loan her €11,000 to pay off credit card debts.
On the night before she disappeared, the couple spent the night drinking at the Woodlands Hotel near their home in the company of a mutual friend, Owen Walsh.
They invited Mr Walsh back to the house and she suggested that he stay the night. She showed him to the spare room, while Mr O'Brien went downstairs to turn off the lights. He then flew into a rage when he found the pair kissing in the spare bedroom.
In his first statement made to gardaí on October 2nd, he recalled: "I opened the door and saw Meg and Owen Walsh with their hands around each other, kissing. I said: What the f**k is going on? They stopped and Owen said: 'Sorry, sorry'". Mr Walsh later told the jury it was only a goodnight kiss.
Ms Walsh's disappearance prompted one of the biggest searches ever seen in the area. At one stage 2,000 people were involved. Her daughter Sasha Keating and brother James Walsh made a public appeal for information.
Her body eventually surfaced at Meagher Quay in Waterford city on October 15th.
John O'Brien was first arrested in December 2006 and was charged with her murder on June 22nd, 2007.
In the court, the prosecution relied on inconsistencies in his evidence and modern technological paraphernalia of CCTV footage, mobile phone movements and an electronic key fob.
He said he had gone to Tramore that Sunday to read the newspapers before returning home at around 5pm. However, CCTV footage picked up his car in Waterford City Centre that evening and he was spotted by the River Suir at 5.35pm.
When it was put to him in evidence, Mr O'Brien said he may have been mistaken about the time. When other allegations were put to him about inconsistencies in his evidence, he said that he had never thought her disappearance would lead to a murder investigation.
Ms Walsh's Mitsubishi Carisma was central to the prosecution case. Prosecution counsel Dominic McGinn said the car was "the real crime scene" as it was covered in her blood.
The car was found abandoned in the car park of the Uluru pub in Waterford city on October 4th.
CCTV footage was shown to the jury which purported to show Mr O'Brien parking the car at 10.03 pm on October 2nd, walking back to the Tesco Car Park where his own car was parked and then driving home, arriving there at 10.11pm, when he deactivated the alarm.
The prosecution also sought to argue that whoever killed Meg Walsh must have had a key fob to the Mitsubishi Carisma as it had been closed remotely and the only person who had such a key was Mr O'Brien.
However, the car may also have proved to be crucial in his defence. On the final day of evidence, a witness, Gregory Manberg, told the court that he had seen Ms Walsh's Carisma being driven around at 6.20pm on Tuesday, October 2nd, at the time when Mr O'Brien was giving a statement to gardaí about his wife's disappearance.
A unanimous verdict of not guilty was a serious rebuff to investigating gardaí.
And still the question remains: who killed Meg Walsh?

Can't really see much evidence of a role for a dog in any of that lot ....

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/key-question-is-who-killed-meg-walsh-1.922528

[slartibartfast]

The internet is a dangerous and unfair place.  Anything that we write can be changed by cyber criminals able to manipulate and change.   A determined protest needs to happen to show our disgust against the injustices of these practices, because unless something is done about it now, soon it will be too late.   The Mccanns have already suffered too much as a result of the alterations, as it seems Esther Rantzen has too.
 
As I said,  soon it will be too late.

Maybe it already is ?

I think you need to do some research to understand how the internet and search engines work and how ownership and update rights to websites and managed.

[pathfinder73]

Det Insp Harrison said the dogs are presented with a scent which they then try to follow.

He said: "Many people think in the 21st century machines are the answer, not something hairy and smelly like a dog, but our tests show us that there is no machine that can come anywhere close to what these dogs can do.

Inspector Promotion Examinations - OSPRE
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June 2001
Qualified to the rank of Inspector.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/mark-harrison-fsa-a6555719

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