Have the dog alerts any significance?

[barrier]

We do not know what the dogs alerted to
Grime was asked but could not confirm
He says they suggest cadaver odour but does not confirm this

But at the same time he his happy to state this.

But strong indication and I would say its positive for things that he is trained to find, which will be part of a separate debrief.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[barrier]

Grime had an opportunity to say in his opinion the dogs alerted to cadaver odour
He didn't do it

Pardon?

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to 'cadaver scent'
contaminant or human blood scent

From the same link.

[Mr Gray]

Pardon?

From the same link.

That's right he said its possible and it is
Possible but not confirmed

[Mr Gray]

So according to Grime it's possible that Eddie alerted to cadaver odour
He doesn't mention a cadaver

So the dogs tell us its possible
But we already know that
We already know Maddie may have died in the apartment

[Eleanor]

Unlike some, police officers do not present their beliefs as facts. It's clear that Grime had a lot of faith in the abilities of his dogs and that he believed they had alerted to the scents they were trained to find. He also understood the role of the dogs; to help investigators to find evidence which could be used to bring a prosecution. The alerts suggested a possibility but the forensics didn't confirm it. Were the alerts useless therefore? Not really, because the possibility remains on the table.

Eddie was trained to find blood.

[barrier]

Grime had an opportunity to say in his opinion the dogs alerted to cadaver odour
He didn't do it

So from this to this.

That's right he said its possible and it is
Possible but not confirmed

You are happy to confirm that Grime did in fact give an opinion?

[Lace]

Where is it discounted ?

Eddie and Keela were extremely reliable.

Martin Grime did his job, with no axe to grind.

So was Eddie trained using the procedure above?

[Mr Gray]

The facts are which some find it difficult to accept

The dogs are reliable at finding evidence

The alerts themselves where no evidence is found are not reliable. If they have no reliability as evidence then they are not reliable. this is confirmed by Grime...Harrison and in the report on the fiasco in Jersey which is highly critical of grimes role and highly critical on the faith shown in the alerts by lenny Harper.

The bottom line is we do not know what eddie alerted to in PDL which is further confirmed by the belief of OG that she may still be alive

[Mr Gray]

Grime also says....

SUMMARY

The tasking for this operation was as per my normal Standard Operating
Procedures. The dogs are deployed as search assets to secure evidence and
locate human remains or Human blood.


the role of the dogs is to secure evidence which is what i have been saying for some years

[pathfinder73]

Eddie was trained to find blood.

The police in the Kate Prout case were told different when Eddie alerted and it wasn't for blood. The police were told exactly what Eddie had alerted to and they knew what had to be done. Kate's serial lying husband was not going to get away with murder.

[ferryman]

The police in the Kate Prout case were told different when Eddie alerted and it wasn't for blood. The police were told exactly what Eddie had alerted to and they knew what had to be done. Kate's serial lying husband was not going to get away with murder.

The evidence against Prout was circumstantial.  He took an age before reporting Kate "missing".

All credit cards and bank accounts of Kate's remained untouched from the point she disappeared.

Prout was known to have a volatile temper.

But it was the untouched bank accounts that was the main one.

Eddie alerted nowhere near where Prout strangled, then buried, Kate.

[Brietta]

Snipped,they tell us that the dogs alerted to what disciplines they were trained in,what they do not tell is to whom the alerts belong to,that is where forensics come in or not as the case maybe.If the case rested solely and wholly on the dog alerts it maybe could be understood the angst they cause,as it it and quite rightly pointed out as they stand at the moment they point at no one.

We witnessed Eddie disregarding his and every other working dog's trained response in Praia da Luz on those occasions when he picked up items in his mouth ... some of which were the subject of alerts.

Which casts doubt on the significance of any supposed associated information because it indicates an unreliable over excited animal incapable of following recognised practice.

[slartibartfast]

We witnessed Eddie disregarding his and every other working dog's trained response in Praia da Luz on those occasions when he picked up items in his mouth ... some of which were the subject of alerts.

Which casts doubt on the significance of any supposed associated information because it indicates an unreliable over excited animal incapable of following recognised practice.

Yet another layman's view.

[Mr Gray]

Yet another layman's view.

But we know the experts view
No evidential reliability
No inferences can be drawn

[Mr Gray]

Yet another layman's view.

And it is the laymen on here claiming the alerts indicate cadaver
Absolute rubbish