Have the dog alerts any significance?

[Alice Purjorick]

We witnessed Eddie disregarding his and every other working dog's trained response in Praia da Luz on those occasions when he picked up items in his mouth ... some of which were the subject of alerts.

Which casts doubt on the significance of any supposed associated information because it indicates an unreliable over excited animal incapable of following recognised practice.

Who are this "we" who were on site observing ?

[ferryman]

Who are this "we" who were on site observing ?

Not for nothing did Mark Harrison dismiss both inspections in villa and gym as "PJ exercises".

[Brietta]

I have seen video coverage of Eddie throwing Cuddle Cat around.

Tennis ball in one of the other apartments.  As well as a food item in a kitchen.  The unforgettable exhibition of sheer unprofessionalism and bad practice in the gymnasium.  I too have seen CC being thrown although whether or not it is still on the internet in the form noted by the less than impressed PJ Inspector is anyone's guess.

[slartibartfast]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/OUSTROS_APENSOS_11_VOLUMES.htm

Fine, so the PJ were looking at the same video the rest of us can see. The quality of the online video only shows Eddie going to a point between 1 and 2 foot off the ground next to a chair and knocking/pulling CC and something else onto the floor and moving off.

From watching other parts of the search, it is not a slow process with the dog moving round areas, onto tables, chairs and sides, into cupboards etc with speed and energy.

So in my view, it is not throwing or playing with CC as the supporters would have it.

[Brietta]

Who are this "we" who were on site observing ?

So it is your opinion that professional police video shot for the purpose of perhaps being produced in court as evidence ... doesn't count as observation?  Interesting.

[Mr Gray]

Fine, so the PJ were looking at the same video the rest of us can see. The quality of the online video only shows Eddie going to a point between 1 and 2 foot off the ground next to a chair and knocking/pulling CC and something else onto the floor and moving off.

From watching other parts of the search, it is not a slow process with the dog moving round areas, onto tables, chairs and sides, into cupboards etc with speed and energy.

So in my view, it is not throwing or playing with CC as the supporters would have it.

surely the pj watched the actual searches not the edited highlights we have seen

[ferryman]

Fine, so the PJ were looking at the same video the rest of us can see. The quality of the online video only shows Eddie going to a point between 1 and 2 foot off the ground next to a chair and knocking/pulling CC and something else onto the floor and moving off.

From watching other parts of the search, it is not a slow process with the dog moving round areas, onto tables, chairs and sides, into cupboards etc with speed and energy.

So in my view, it is not throwing or playing with CC as the supporters would have it.

so you are accusing PJ Inspector Dias of lying?

As well as those of us with long enough memories to remember seeing the exact same video footage PJ Inspector Dias describes?

[slartibartfast]

surely the pj watched the actual searches not the edited highlights we have seen

Not according to FM.

[ferryman]

From the screening of the videos, referred previously, done when the dogs were working, some doubts arise. We don't want and we can't take the place of the trainer, we only wish to alert, with this paragraph, to some facts, that according to us, need further clarification.

If the dog is trained to react when he detects what he is looking for, why, in most of the cases, we see the dog passing more than once by that place in an uninterested way, until he finally signals the place where he had already passed several times'

Why indeed?

[jassi]

I think the correct response is 'ask the dogs' 

[Mr Gray]

Not according to FM.

of course
the pj may well have watched the searches then watched the full videos....not the edited highlights we have seen

[Mr Gray]

I think the correct response is 'ask the dogs' 

its a very clever response because as the dogs cannot talk we will never know

[ferryman]

Fine, so the PJ were looking at the same video the rest of us can see. The quality of the online video only shows Eddie going to a point between 1 and 2 foot off the ground next to a chair and knocking/pulling CC and something else onto the floor and moving off.

From watching other parts of the search, it is not a slow process with the dog moving round areas, onto tables, chairs and sides, into cupboards etc with speed and energy.

So in my view, it is not throwing or playing with CC as the supporters would have it.

"Supporters" don't "have" anything.

The facts are there for all to read.

And before Levy meddled with the videos, the facts were there for all to see as well.

[ShiningInLuz]

"Supporters" don't "have" anything.

The facts are there for all to read.

And before Levy meddled with the videos, the facts were there for all to see as well.

I think you need a cite for the 3rd sentence.  Otherwise ...

[Eleanor]

This is ridiculous.  Eddie was filmed throwing CuddleCat around, and also filmed throwing clothing around.
Why try to deny this?