Have the dog alerts any significance?

[ferryman]

True but in Eddie's history that was only about 5% probability that it was not cadaver odour.  Key fob had cadaver odour plus blood IMO.

Eddie's history?

What history?

At least recorded?

[ferryman]

Eddie's cadaver scent detecting skills have been shown in court in the Theresa Parker case.

I would say that, in the Theresa Parker case, Grime was required to demonstrate the basic proficiency of the dog (sic)

We also saw video played in the courtroom to demonstrate how another dog, Eddie, found a sample pair of pants hidden in the Walker County Jail that was perfumed with a cadaver scent. Eddie is an English Springer Spaniel belonging to Martin Grime, a world-renown forensic K-9 expert based in the United Kingdom.




OG were looking for a cadaver in Luz. Mark Harrison recommended the best dogs for this case.

"The use of a specialist EVRD (Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog) and CSI dog (human blood detecting dog) could potentially indicate on whether Madeline's blood is in the property or the scent of a dead body is present. In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed."

And in PdL, Grime was handed a brief to investigate that Madeleine had been murdered and worked to it.  Recommended the "enhanced" victim recovery dog facility.  Himself concluded that he had no idea whether Madeleine was alive or dead; that no incriminating inference could be made from the reactions of the dogs.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

[ferryman]

I think you need a cite for the 3rd sentence.  Otherwise ...

Thought I had already provided one that was (seemingly) removed?

I will accord benefit of the doubt that I am mistaken on that point.  Here it is (maybe not!) again.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vile-fantasist-ties-to-sell-dynamite-1656692

[jassi]

Surely there is more than one copy of the video in existence ?

Re-posted in the expectation that someone might be able to answer.

[ferryman]

Re-posted in the expectation that someone might be able to answer.

I would hope that the investigation holds untainted original.

All in the public domain has been tainted by Levy.

What causes me to hold the rogatory interviews at arm's length is that they, also, were brought to us via the agency of Levy.

[jassi]

I understand that a number of 'file' DVDs were issued.  If there are so many discrepancies on the internet files, why has nobody come forward with alternative files to challenge them?

[misty]

I understand that a number of 'file' DVDs were issued.  If there are so many discrepancies on the internet files, why has nobody come forward with alternative files to challenge them?

All other journalists who received the DVD's have complied with the t&c's imposed under Portuguese law. They are not able to reproduce the originals in any form & have to use their own words when reporting on any aspect within the files. That is the sheer cleverness of what Levy did - knowing the files could not be challenged online without Portuguese law being broken. Heaven only knows how he escaped prosecution.

[jassi]

I don't much about Levy. Is he resident in Portugal?

[ShiningInLuz]

All other journalists who received the DVD's have complied with the t&c's imposed under Portuguese law. They are not able to reproduce the originals in any form & have to use their own words when reporting on any aspect within the files. That is the sheer cleverness of what Levy did - knowing the files could not be challenged online without Portuguese law being broken. Heaven only knows how he escaped prosecution.

Anyone with a copy can cross-check whether the on-line files are correct or not, so any significant error can be challenged.

I would find it amazing if the DVDs were restricted to Portugal.  So any investigative journalist can have a look at the original.

The bulk of the files are in .jpg format, which is not easy to alter.

The rogs etc are in English, and can be checked by those involved in making the documents.

And Kate McCann claims to have an original.

I am not aware of any of these parties challenging the authenticity of the PJ Files we can see on-line.

[jassi]

Anyone with a copy can cross-check whether the on-line files are correct or not, so any significant error can be challenged.

I would find it amazing if the DVDs were restricted to Portugal.  So any investigative journalist can have a look at the original.

The bulk of the files are in .jpg format, which is not easy to alter.

The rogs etc are in English, and can be checked by those involved in making the documents.

And Kate McCann claims to have an original.

I am not aware of any of these parties challenging the authenticity of the PJ Files we can see on-line.

This is something I find strange given that there are a number of these DVDs in the hands of journalists

[Mr Gray]

Anyone with a copy can cross-check whether the on-line files are correct or not, so any significant error can be challenged.

I would find it amazing if the DVDs were restricted to Portugal.  So any investigative journalist can have a look at the original.

The bulk of the files are in .jpg format, which is not easy to alter.

The rogs etc are in English, and can be checked by those involved in making the documents.

And Kate McCann claims to have an original.

I am not aware of any of these parties challenging the authenticity of the PJ Files we can see on-line.

we dont have any record of what the McCanns actually said in their portuguese interviews so there is no way we can check

[pathfinder73]

This proves how long after Eddie can alert to cadaver scent:

"Grime said Eddie then "hit" on an abandoned house next door. Testimony shows that house was never repaired after a fire gutted the inside and killed a child several years ago."

http://www.scentevidence.com/2009/07/dog-debate-at-center-of-murder-case.html

[Alfie]

This proves how long after Eddie can alert to cadaver scent:

"Grime said Eddie then "hit" on an abandoned house next door. Testimony shows that house was never repaired after a fire gutted the inside and killed a child several years ago."

http://www.scentevidence.com/2009/07/dog-debate-at-center-of-murder-case.html

Defense attorney Doug Woodruff asked Higgins about the accuracy of Maggie's nose and if there is any scientific proof that shows these type of dogs only get aroused by cadavers.

"Scientifically, no," Higgins replied.
LOL.

[pathfinder73]

Defense attorney Doug Woodruff asked Higgins about the accuracy of Maggie's nose and if there is any scientific proof that shows these type of dogs only get aroused by cadavers.

"Scientifically, no," Higgins replied.
LOL.

Sam Parker ain't laughing. He's in jail for murder. Don't underestimate dog alerts.

[Alfie]

Sam Parker ain't laughing. He's in jail for murder. Don't underestimate dog alerts.

You may not have been privy to an earlier discussion in which it was claimed there were hundreds of scientific studies that proved the reliability of the dog alerts, strange therefore that a dog handler claims there isn't any scientific proof isn't it?