Top Three Reasons Why You Believe JB Guilty Or Innocent

[Angelo222]

In my reconstruction, Sheila knows for certain that Nevill will come upstairs instantly he hears shots, so Sheila immediately swivels into position after the rapid 5 to June, and is ready from the bedroom doorway, as soon as he hoves into view, to shoot him in the head. Her survival requires this. At this stage she has no plan to kill the kids or herself, this happens when she considers her options.

Please refer to the forensic drawing of where the bullets and casings were found.  Had a shooter been at the top of the stairs or on the landing and shot down the main staircase then the casings associated with Neville would have all been on the landing or the stairs. 

[Samson]

Please refer to the forensic drawing of where the bullets and casings were found.  Had a shooter been at the top of the stairs or on the landing and shot down the main staircase then the casings associated with Neville would have all been on the landing or the stairs.

She stands in the same position to shoot both, the bedroom doorway.
She knows Nevill is coming and has the gun ready, aimed where he will appear first. He is leaning somewhat forward in the manner people climbing stairs rapidly do. She fires two very quick shots, success, she hits the target and Nevill turns. She emptys the cartridge with porrly aimed shots, she was trying to hit his back but gets the arm.

A quote from CAL

 "There are countless instances where the police themselves have fired at somebody and if you get even a third of the shots hitting the target, that’s something. Yet this young woman was alleged to have fired twenty-five shots with the rifle, re-loaded it twice and hit her target every time."

An argument from incredulity, yet three of her victims were asleep, and I have just explained her markmanship with Nevill before he also became a sitting duck in the coal scuttle.

[APRIL]

She stands in the same position to shoot both, the bedroom doorway.
She knows Nevill is coming and has the gun ready, aimed where he will appear first. He is leaning somewhat forward in the manner people climbing stairs rapidly do. She fires two very quick shots, success, she hits the target and Nevill turns. She emptys the cartridge with porrly aimed shots, she was trying to hit his back but gets the arm.

A quote from CAL

 "There are countless instances where the police themselves have fired at somebody and if you get even a third of the shots hitting the target, that’s something. Yet this young woman was alleged to have fired twenty-five shots with the rifle, re-loaded it twice and hit her target every time."

An argument from incredulity, yet three of her victims were asleep, and I have just explained her markmanship with Nevill before he also became a sitting duck in the coal scuttle.

That's some achievement for someone with hand/eye control problems, plus being over sedated.

[Samson]

That's some achievement for someone with hand/eye control problems, plus being over sedated.

Personally I agree there was some luck she got two direct hits to Nevill's head as he came upstairs. Those two shots were vital and she scored. Yet she was prepared in a way it was impossible in a JB scene where both shooter and shot at are in full view of each other.
I would back Sheila to get those mouth shots when "LYING IN WAIT" as it were.

[APRIL]

Personally I agree there was some luck she got two direct hits to Nevill's head as he came upstairs. Those two shots were vital and she scored. Yet she was prepared in a way it was impossible in a JB scene where both shooter and shot at are in full view of each other.
I would back Sheila to get those mouth shots when "LYING IN WAIT" as it were.

So with that injury he managed to turn and go back down the stairs, in a straight line, to the kitchen, without leaving any blood evidence anywhere?

[Myster]

She stands in the same position to shoot both, the bedroom doorway.
She knows Nevill is coming and has the gun ready, aimed where he will appear first. He is leaning somewhat forward in the manner people climbing stairs rapidly do. She fires two very quick shots, success, she hits the target and Nevill turns. She emptys the cartridge with porrly aimed shots, she was trying to hit his back but gets the arm.

A quote from CAL

 "There are countless instances where the police themselves have fired at somebody and if you get even a third of the shots hitting the target, that’s something. Yet this young woman was alleged to have fired twenty-five shots with the rifle, re-loaded it twice and hit her target every time."

An argument from incredulity, yet three of her victims were asleep, and I have just explained her markmanship with Nevill before he also became a sitting duck in the coal scuttle.

Errrm... this is the more accurate quote by Malcolm Fletcher from CAL. You omitted the previous sentence on purpose...

[Samson]

Errrm... this is the more accurate quote by Malcolm Fletcher from CAL. You omitted the previous sentence on purpose...

She starts with a loaded gun, shoots a sleeping woman 5 times. Easy.
She anticipates Nevill and is ready, once those four shots are delivered she is out of danger. There is no need for any experience, she has all the time in the world to figure the reloading, four bullets for Nevill, then she shags around while the kids sleep on.

[Holly Goodhead]

drjudymelinek@pathologyexpert.com

is her email address Holly.

You could send her the trajectory info, she may wish to help pro bono in this travesty of justice.

Here she discusses the death of judge Scalia, famous for saying capital punishment is fine for an innocent man as long as due legal process is followed. Hi Jeremy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/18/opinions/justice-scalia-no-autopsy-melinek/

Thanks Samson but I'm pretty certain if she acted for every prisoner claiming to be a MoJ she would soon go bust!  Funding has been and can be found for the right tests   

[Myster]

She starts with a loaded gun, shoots a sleeping woman 5 times. Easy.
She anticipates Nevill and is ready, once those four shots are delivered she is out of danger. There is no need for any experience, she has all the time in the world to figure the reloading, four bullets for Nevill, then she shags around while the kids sleep on.

Meanwhile Nevill is twiddling his thumbs on the phone waiting for the sleeping log to come back to life. It wouldn't happen, Samson. This experienced shooter leaving his wife and grandchildren for one second at the mercy of a doolally daughter... no chance, never in a thousand years.

[Samson]

Meanwhile Nevill is twiddling his thumbs on the phone waiting for the sleeping log to come back to life. It wouldn't happen, Samson. This experienced shooter leaving his wife and grandchildren for one second at the mercy of a doolally daughter... no chance, never in a thousand years.

I thought we all agreed she would never shoot her family. All Nevill knew was she headed upstairs with the gun. The rest is Harry hindsight, she did use it. Nevill should have rushed after her and grabbed it, but he decided to trust she would not actually use it, and he called for negotiating assistance from his loving son.

[Myster]

I thought we all agreed she would never shoot her family. All Nevill knew was she headed upstairs with the gun. The rest is Harry hindsight, she did use it. Nevill should have rushed after her and grabbed it, but he decided to trust she would not actually use it, and he called for negotiating assistance from his loving son.

And the first thing he'd holler at her before she even reached the bottom step - "Oh no you don't, gal!!!, that rifle's mine". To hell with any phone call, that was a Bamber hoax, just like his assurance when interviewed by the cops that he'd slept like a log... yet to his girlfriend he hadn't been to bed all night.

Bamber is an accomplished and convincing liar. I too have read Julie Mugford's diary many times and she comes across as far more believable than her ex, no matter what David1819 mumbles about Uncle Bobby's influence.

[Holly Goodhead]

To determine the trajectory of any shots one has to know the relative position of the participants. In a fast moving situation with the victim ducking and diving it is an impossible scenario.  Trajectory analysis is only effective in situations like the Reeva Steenkamp case where the bullets went through a solid object. The height and position of the shooter was in that case determined. No such solid evidence is available in the Bamber case.

What is almost certain is that June was shot in bed before she got up and Nevill was shot several times as he approached the shooter.  The inability of .22 rounds to kill meant the shooter used many more bullets than he had intended leaving him with no option but retreat downstairs to get more ammo.  Neville followed him down the stairs and into the kitchen where they fought over the rifle before he succumbed to his wounds and was fatally injured as he slumped into a chair.

It is very possible the shooter poked Neville in the back using the rifle in order to check if he was alive or dead. This would have caused him to fall forward ending up with his head in the coal scuttle.

I posted commentary above from a pathologist involved in the Bain case @ 8 mins in:

"Allows you to reconstruct the direction that the barrel was pointing in.  Because that is one of the things you can do in the reconstruction of gunshot wounds unless there's some intervening target.  You line up the track of the bullet with the barrel of the gun."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Gt4QmUG5k

Dr Vanezis made available the info re the track of the bullet to NB's facial gsw's and there was no intervening target:

"The approximate angle from the horizontal of these two tracks was slightly downwards, not more than about 20 degrees".

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205.0;attach=724

Dot to dot springs to mind.  One simply lines up the track of the bullet upon penetration with the barrel of the firearm.  In the WHF case the barrel of the rifle was clearly pointing 20 degrees below the horizontal.  This is significant given NB was taller than JB and SC.     

Pathologists generally don't pad out reports with unneccesary waffle.  The angle stated above means something.  The fact JB's lawyers haven't picked up on it can only mean one thing and that is they should be struck off for incompetence/negligence.  Sadly most are either deceased or retired.  If legally possible I hope those still alive will face criminal charges along the lines of Ipswich optometrist Honey Rose.

"Ducking and diving" doesn't come into it.  The muzzle velocity of the Eley subsonic hollow points bullets is 1040ft/s.  Yep that means the bullets used in the tragedy at WHF exited the barrel (or silencer) at 1040 feet per second.  Malcolm Fletcher estimated the distance of shots to NB's facial wounds as follows:

64. In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin.

To keep the maths simple lets assume the distance was 12"/1'.  We are talking less than a 1000th of a second for the bullet to exit the barrel/silencer and strike NB's lip/jaw.

http://www.eley.co.uk/eley-subsonic-hollow

You say NB was shot several times as he approached the shooter:

"and Nevill was shot several times as he approached the shooter".

How do you account for the fact that NB sustained 2 gsw's to his rear: shoulder and elbow/chest?

[Holly Goodhead]

June was shot as she lay in bed evidenced by the blood on her pillow and the bullet which was found embedded in it.  One other possibility is that she was hit on the face by the rifle stock and knocked back into the bed before being shot.  What is beyond doubt is that both she and Neville were attacked simultaneously.

- Two bullets found in the pillow : 2 x DRH/35

- No pathological evidence June sustained any injuries other than from gsw's

- There's a distinct lack of evidence NB sustained any injuries in the bedroom eg none of his blood was found

[Holly Goodhead]

Please refer to the forensic drawing of where the bullets and casings were found.  Had a shooter been at the top of the stairs or on the landing and shot down the main staircase then the casings associated with Neville would have all been on the landing or the stairs.

The rifle ejects casings upwards, forwards and to the right.  The casings support SC standing at the entrance firing at NB on the landing stairs lip and jaw gsw's (DRH/3 and /4).  NB then turns to retreat downstairs, SC follows and casings DRH/13 and /14 account for the shoulder and elbow/chest graze.

[Holly Goodhead]

That's some achievement for someone with hand/eye control problems, plus being over sedated.

If SC had "hand/eye problems" how do you account for David Boutflour's description "Not a hair out of place"?  The soc photos show a high level of personal grooming by way of styled hair, shaped eyebrows, manicured and polished toe and fingernails and hair free legs. 

We are told SC was in receipt of DSS payments and so desperate for cash she resorted to porn modelling.  There's no evidence she paid for professional beauty services and/or friends obliged.