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Offline Holly Goodhead

For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« on: April 17, 2017, 07:21:33 PM »
Which of the following would cause you to reconsider your postion over JB's case:

a) Forensic testing undermining the silencer evidence to the extent the CCRC refer to the CoA.

b) Scene of crime reconstruction by experts showing NB was shot on the landing stairs and/or main stairs.

c) JM retracting her testimony.

d) Reports from psychologists showing SC in all probability suffered an 'attachment disorder' due to June's mental illness circa 1959 putting SC at greater risk of suicide and committing acts of aggression including filicide.

e) None of the above.

If you want to select more than one option please place in order of priority.  Thanks. 

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« Last Edit: June 12, 2017, 05:05:30 PM by John »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline tbl

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2017, 10:53:36 AM »
How about

f) a convincing explanation as to how Sheila -  with no experience of firearms and mental health/co-ordination issues - would have been able to reload a complex weapon twice and fire 25 bullets accurately

g) a convincing explanation as to how Sheila was able to overcome, and impose severe injuries on, her father who was a foot taller and physically far stronger than she was

h) a convincing explanation of JB's behaviour following the call from Neville. Specifically to cover why he didn't call 999, why he didn't go to the farm immediately, and why he called Julie if it wasn't to create an alibi for himself?

Offline Caroline

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2017, 11:39:59 AM »
Which of the following would cause you to reconsider your postion over JB's case:

a) Forensic testing undermining the silencer evidence to the extent the CCRC refer to the CoA.

b) Scene of crime reconstruction by experts showing NB was shot on the landing stairs and/or main stairs.

c) JM retracting her testimony.

d) Reports from psychologists showing SC in all probability suffered an 'attachment disorder' due to June's mental illness circa 1959 putting SC at greater risk of suicide and committing acts of aggression including filicide.

e) None of the above.

If you want to select more than one option please place in order of priority.  Thanks.

I'd go with C but she would have to provide a detailed explanation.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2017, 03:23:46 PM »
How about

f) a convincing explanation as to how Sheila -  with no experience of firearms and mental health/co-ordination issues - would have been able to reload a complex weapon twice and fire 25 bullets accurately

g) a convincing explanation as to how Sheila was able to overcome, and impose severe injuries on, her father who was a foot taller and physically far stronger than she was

h) a convincing explanation of JB's behaviour following the call from Neville. Specifically to cover why he didn't call 999, why he didn't go to the farm immediately, and why he called Julie if it wasn't to create an alibi for himself?

Computer says no!  Only a - e inclusive are available!  Please make your selection accordingly! 
« Last Edit: April 18, 2017, 04:29:19 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2017, 04:20:16 PM »
How about

f) a convincing explanation as to how Sheila -  with no experience of firearms and mental health/co-ordination issues - would have been able to reload a complex weapon twice and fire 25 bullets accurately

g) a convincing explanation as to how Sheila was able to overcome, and impose severe injuries on, her father who was a foot taller and physically far stronger than she was

h) a convincing explanation of JB's behaviour following the call from Neville. Specifically to cover why he didn't call 999, why he didn't go to the farm immediately, and why he called Julie if it wasn't to create an alibi for himself?

a - d are based on aspects of the case where it might be possible to undertake new tests etc capable of securing a CoA hearing.  I'm not sure f - h above could be advanced in this way.  F - h were all aspects of the case that were thrashed out at trial and according to Ewan Smith above the jury was primarily interested in the silencer/blood evidence.  I think the only people capable of determining what constitutes a "convincing explanation" for f - h would be a jury but I'll give it a go:

f)  There's no evidence SC handled firearms in adulthood.  She left WHF at 17/18 yoa and returned infrequently.  However we don't know what went on during her childhood.  Growing up on a farm surrounded by firearms and those that used them signals to me that she would have more idea than most.  When I started fending for myself I can't ever recall my parents sitting me down providing detailed instructions on all manner of things from roasting a chicken to planting bulbs but somehow I knew how to do these things.  Did my parents explain at some stage or did I simply observe consciously or sub-consciously? 

Yes SC had mental health issues but afaik there's no evidence of any learning disability preventing her from loading and firing a firearm. 

Where's the evidence SC suffered co-ordination issues?

Where's the evidence a .22 semi-auto rifle is complex?  It's perceived as complex to most in Little Britian as its alien and something they have little or no knowledge of.  Ask most Yanks and they will tell you something different. 

Where's the evidence accuracy played a part at WHF?  June was prone in bed when initially shot and slow or immobile thereafter.  NB's facial shots and head shots were fired when the rifle was within inches of his skin.  The twins were asleep in bed. 

g) How did Andrews overpower and murder Lee Harvey with a pen knife?  See image of pair below. 

h) Behaviour is very subjective.  If JB received a call from NB saying "Sheila's gone crazy, she's got the gun" then I think his reactions are within the 'normal' range ie trying to call back to seek further info from NB as to what was required and discussing with JM beforehand.   
   
« Last Edit: April 18, 2017, 04:29:43 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2017, 04:32:35 PM »
Re Andrews above you can just make out her longish polished fingernails in the above.  Afaik her fingernails didn't form part of the prosecution against her.  And yet she stabbed Lee Harvey a total of 42 times with a penknife which I would have thought was far more hazardous to nails than loading and firing a firearm some 25/26 times and using it to wield blows. 
« Last Edit: April 18, 2017, 04:47:48 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2017, 04:43:41 PM »
Another case similar to that of Lee Harvey and Andrews is that of Thomas Cressman and another Andrews.  The image below shows the difference in statue.

Andrews hit Thomas Cressman with a cricket bat and then stabbed him. 

The image below shows the difference in statue. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2017, 06:27:16 PM »
Computer says no!  Only a - e inclusive are available!  Please make your selection accordingly!

Only (c)... but that will never happen considering she's kept schtum for 31 years.

Your Sheila shooting-on-the-stairs theory went to pot when you realised Jeremy Bamber could have done the same.

HOL9000 is on the verge of being deactivated... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEN5TjYRCEhttp://
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 08:46:24 PM »
Only (c)... but that will never happen considering she's kept schtum for 31 years.

Your Sheila shooting-on-the-stairs theory went to pot when you realised Jeremy Bamber could have done the same.

HOL9000 is on the verge of being deactivated... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuEN5TjYRCEhttp://

When I first mooted NB shot on the landing/main stairs I said there was a possible scenario for SC or JB.  I thought I would get it in before I was shot down in flames.

Another obstacle to overcome is that if June sustained the 2 gsw's to her head in the location she was found then it seems likely DRH/3 and 4 pertain to these gsw's but I've allocated them to NB's lip and jaw gsw.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline puglove

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 09:23:18 PM »
Computer says no!  Only a - e inclusive are available!  Please make your selection accordingly!

c. But it's a bit like saying "if my granny had a dick she'd be my grandad."  It's not going to happen.
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline puglove

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 09:27:35 PM »
Another case similar to that of Lee Harvey and Andrews is that of Thomas Cressman and another Andrews.  The image below shows the difference in statue.

Andrews hit Thomas Cressman with a cricket bat and then stabbed him. 

The image below shows the difference in statue.

My father-in-law used to play golf with Lee Harvey's dad. And the Cressmans lived about half a mile from us.

It's a small world, sometimes.     8(8-))
Jeremy Bamber kicked Mike Tesko in the fanny.

Offline Myster

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2017, 10:12:18 PM »
When I first mooted NB shot on the landing/main stairs I said there was a possible scenario for SC or JB.  I thought I would get it in before I was shot down in flames.

Another obstacle to overcome is that if June sustained the 2 gsw's to her head in the location she was found then it seems likely DRH/3 and 4 pertain to these gsw's but I've allocated them to NB's lip and jaw gsw.

... or DRH/13 and 14, if the perp was standing in the doorway/landing area, with the rifle pointing downwards. Casings cushioned on impact with the carpet, DRH/14 tumbling down three steps and coming to a rest by the skirting on the lower landing.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline adam

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 10:40:03 PM »
Julies WS is very long, detailed, accurrate and damaging.

If she retracted everything it would mean she was helped to lie by the police & maybe coerced into lying in the first place. Although the police had nothing on her at first.

If the police made this big effort with Julie, then they must have fabricated and hidden a lot of other evidence. Although why they would do this a month after the massacre, I don't know.

Assume a full retraction from Julie will result in an acquittal.

I don't believe any of the other issues would free Bamber now. Isn't there nothing left to test in the silencer ?
« Last Edit: April 18, 2017, 11:15:46 PM by adam »

Offline APRIL

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2017, 09:50:31 AM »
C? A fantasy to be relished? Whatever wasn't included -or exaggerated- in Julie's witness statement, will, I imagine,  had it played on her conscience, have been shared with either a priest or a therapist, neither of whom can divulge what she told them. Would she come forward, now, after all this time? She has a new life -albeit, I'm given to understand she is harassed on behalf of those who believe she lied- in a new country and a family who weren't part of her life in 1985. Personally, I can't see it happening..................but hey, I didn't ever think Donald Duck -ooops, SORRY!, TRUMP 8()-000(- would ever be president of the USA.

Offline Caroline

Re: For Those That Believe JB Guilty...
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 12:37:30 PM »
Another case similar to that of Lee Harvey and Andrews is that of Thomas Cressman and another Andrews.  The image below shows the difference in statue.

Andrews hit Thomas Cressman with a cricket bat and then stabbed him. 

The image below shows the difference in statue.

Both these women had one victim to deal with and chose a simple weapon. Your point about the fingernails - loading a magazine would be more detrimental to fingernails by the fact that they would be involved in  the process. When using a knife, they are protected by the rest of the hand when making a fist to hold the knife.