Looking at the answers and other posters unable to answer the relatives & Stan Jones questions, it can be concluded it was impossible for either to frame Bamber single handedly.
Only two conclusions can be reached -
Stan Jones & the relstives worked together in the frame:
Stan Jones attempting a solo frame, still needed the relatives to lie in their witness statements and say they found the silencer.
The relatives didn't have Sheila's blood or enough crime scene information to individually frame Bamber.
Neither Stan Jones or the relatives framed Bamber:
The silencer was found by the relatives with blood, paint and a white hair. After tests it came back as human & Sheila's blood and the aga paint. There was no fabricating.
No, not necessarily so.Adam have you considered the following:
- The blood found on the outside of the silencer, paint and hair on 10th Aug might have been totally separate from the blood found inside the silencer on 12th Sep. By this I mean the person(s) involved in any fabrication and objectives of such may have been completely different:
- Blood on the outside, paint and hair may have been fabricated to advance the idea the silencer was attached when NB sustained a beating in the kitchen which if true would point away from SC and towards JB. A low ranking officer at DS level may have been responsible for this. When the silencer was first analysed at lab on 13th Aug the blood on the outside wasn't capable of being grouped. If this 'evidence' was subsequently put to senior officers etc they may have said it was incapable of getting the case to court: Blood inconclusive. Scratch could have happened any time. Grey hair lost in transit. All pretty meaningless. Would a jury convict on this? Probably not even if it got to court. At this stage the inside of the silencer may not have been fabricated (if that is what happened) and 'drawback' may not even have been considered.
- You said if the silencer was fabricated the relatives and police needed to work together but this isn't necessarily so. The silencer loomed large in the minds of the relatives from the off. They repeated this info to EP during the very early stages of the investigation: 7th, 8th and 9th Aug. On 8th Aug JB was asked to complete another WS explaining the silencer/scope. The same day AP phoned EP re scope/silencer. Later on 8th Aug Dr Vanezis attended a meeting at WHF where DS Jones was in attendance and apparently he was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory. On 9th Aug morning the relatives attended a meeting at EP offices with DCI Jones and DS Jones where once again the silencer and scope were homed in on. Later the same day DCI Jones and DS Jones handed the keys over to the Eatons and went over the new alarm system with them. It is possible then that DS Jones single handedly fabricated the silencer by re-entering WHF at some stage leaving a nice surprise for the relatives! The property obviously couldn't be bolted from within. DS Jones had access to the alarm code and the key for the new door which at some stage he might have copied or taken a cast of to get cut later. Or he may have entered via a window, turned the alarm off, left the silencer and then out the door. Or this may have happened prior to the alarm fitted.
In the Killing Mum and Dad vid DS Jones states 'knowing he'd committed all these murders' and 'just had to pray something else would turn up'. @ 26 min in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWUTo my mind DS Jones seems a complete liability. He didn't know JB had committed the murders. There's a big difference between knowing something and having a hunch. All the talk about going through hell and leading a double life. And what made him think he knew more than his senior officers who he reported to? Dr Vanezis said DS Jones offered nothing of evidential value it was all based on JB's reactions.
DS Jones took centre stage during all aspects of the investigation:
- At soc/WHF on 7th Aug
- Took JB's WS's on 7th Aug followed by a drinking session
- Took further WS from JB on 8th Aug
- Attended mtg with Dr Vanezis at WHF on 8th Aug
- Attended mtg with relatives at EP offices on 9th Aug where DCI Jones became irrate with AE 'stop writing'
- Collected silencer from relatives alone followed by a drinking session.
- Collected paint sample from Aga along with DI's Cook and Miller followed by a drinking session
- Took all JM's WS's
