CMTV Gonçalo Amaral - O Enigma - with English subtitles

[Mr Gray]

Do I say nothing?  Have you been reading this thread?   

Yes I have read the thread and all I see from you is criticism of those who do not post their opinion as fact
You continue to post your opinion as fact as does amaral
Your opinion is your opinion
Nothing more unless you can offer proof
I've visited Portugal several times
The people are lovely
From what I have read online the police are not

[Angelo222]

Amaral might have taken 4 and 4 and got 9 but as chief investigator he was and still is best placed to offer an opinion as to what might have happened to the missing child. Those who funded and directed the private investigators purporting to be acting for the parents have a huge case to answer in my opinion and that is what police should be investigating.  If the parents have nothing to hide then publish the secretive Oakley Report.

[ShiningInLuz]

Yes I have read the thread and all I see from you is criticism of those who do not post their opinion as fact
You continue to post your opinion as fact as does amaral
Your opinion is your opinion
Nothing more unless you can offer proof
I've visited Portugal several times
The people are lovely
From what I have read online the police are not

My posts are subject to the same forum rules and the same moderation team as yours.

If you think I am breaching the rules in any post, kindly report it to the moderators, who will deal with your complaint in an appropriate manner.

As to the police, we have been fined twice and our car arrested once.  I cannot complain.  If one is doing 80kph in a 50kph zone, it is called speeding.

The police I have met in such encounters and others have been polite and professional.  Consequently, your opinion of online opinion makes no difference.  IMO.

[ShiningInLuz]

SY have looked at all the original work done by the PJ re the parents
Based on this they are happy to say the parents are not suspects
Seems very clear to me

Given that the original work by the PJ did not rule out the parents it seems very clear to me that the parents have not been ruled out.

[ferryman]

Amaral might have taken 4 and 4 and got 9 but as chief investigator he was and still is best placed to offer an opinion as to what might have happened to the missing child. Those who funded and directed the private investigators purporting to be acting for the parents have a huge case to answer in my opinion and that is what police should be investigating.  If the parents have nothing to hide then publish the secretive Oakley Report.

Why?

Amongst other things, Amaral concluded that Harrison concluded that Madeleine had been hidden on the beach.

Actually, Harrison explicitly ruled out burial and (tentatively!) concluded that, if Madeleine was dead, it was most likely her remains had been thrown into sea.

You know, ....

[Erngath]

Yet 'abduction' is also plastered in the media, yet not everyone believes in that.

But NSY believes in abduction and that is.what matters. 

[Alice Purjorick]

But NSY believes in abduction and that is.what matters. 

The reasoning behind that statement would be good for a laugh I am sure.
Tell us how you have figured that out?

[Benice]

Reply to ShiningInLuz post dated 1st July

My replies are in blue

I do wish you would cut down on propaganda that you can't substantiate.  Adding an AIMHO as a standard ending to 100% of your posts does not make it anything other than propaganda.

Pointing out the gross disinformation and misinformation contained in Amaral's video is not spreading propaganda - it's exposing it.

I didn't give an opinion based on nothing.  I have already quoted the CdM poll re the SC decision which was overwhelmingly in favour of the result against the McCanns.

AFAIK CdM is a tabloid newspaper and the poll you quote only relates to people who read it.    There are 10 million people in Portugal - the vast percentage of whom presumably did not participate in this poll.    If that is the case then sorry  -  but to to claim that the bulk of decent people in Portugal do not support the McCanns on the strength of one poll in a newspaper (which appears to be on a par with our SUN) - is not enough to convince me.     I am also intrigued to know on what grounds you decided who the 'decent' people in Portugal are -.

I have seen so much rubbish on this forum, much of it dished out by supporters who are sitting in England, most who have never visited Portugal let alone Luz.  Frankly, I have had my fill, and whenever this tripe is trotted out, it is going to get savaged.

As far as I know living in Portugal doesn't give anyone a superior knowledge of this case.  The files and the info we all have access to remain exactly the same regardless of where posters live.

The allegation that the tourist trade was hiding sexual assaults in the Algarve.  Either prove that a representative of the Ocean Club knew of these, or pipe down.

No need to be so rude:   
Quote from Kate's  book.  Page 295

I got it touch with the retired British Consul for the Algarve.  He told me that he used to have regular monthly meetings with British tour operators along the cost in Albufeira, at which crime was invariably one of the topics covered.  At one of these meetings in August 2006 he had been informed by the tour operators of the spate of incidents I'd heard about the day after Madeleine was taken, in which an intruder had got into holiday apartments at night, climbed into children's beds and subjected them to various forms and degrees of molestation.   It seemed the attacker would often lock the door to the parents' bedroom before assaulting the child.  In one case the paedophile had put on some of the father's aftershave in an attempt to soothe or deceive the child.

It was believed that this offender (or offenders) watched for patterns and routines in family's behaviour, established 'weaknesses' in the security of the apartment and determined in advance where parents and children slept.  Cold shivers ran down my spine as it hit home that this might have applied to us.  The British tour operators had been keen for this information to remain confidential (and you don't have to be a genius to work out why that might be).
End Quote

The allegation that the Portuguese people want it to be a foreigner.  Either prove that this is the case or stop churning it out as a given.

It was not an allegation it was an opinion based on reason and logic and was neither insulting nor critical.     No-one is obliged to agree with it.    This is a discussion forum - we are allowed to express opinions.......  even those which differ vastly from yours.


AIMHO

[slartibartfast]

Why?

Amongst other things, Amaral concluded that Harrison concluded that Madeleine had been hidden on the beach.

Actually, Harrison explicitly ruled out burial and (tentatively!) concluded that, if Madeleine was dead, it was most likely her remains had been thrown into sea.

You know, ....

Why do you continue to equate burried and hidden?

[Eleanor]

Please let's start the day with Polite Responses.  Otherwise I am going to get cross.

[ferryman]

Why do you continue to equate burried and hidden?

In an interview to the El Mundo magazine, Amaral said that Madeleine had been hidden on the beach and, when asked whether, by that, he meant buried, replied, we do not know.

Presumably a grudging (unacknowledged) nod to the fact that Harrison explicitly ruled out burial.

[pathfinder73]

In an interview to the El Mundo magazine, Amaral said that Madeleine had been hidden on the beach and, when asked whether, by that, he meant buried, replied, we do not know.

Presumably a grudging (unacknowledged) nod to the fact that Harrison explicitly ruled out burial.

You do not rule out anything in an unsolved case because MM could have been hidden under rocks - there were countless on PDL beach/cliffs.

Homicide Disposal Datasets

A limited search has been conducted of datasets that contain body disposal
data in homicide cases (CATCHEM, SCAS, FBI). Although this search was
limited due to the time constraints placed on this reports delivery an inference
can be gained from both the data sets and the authors own case work
experience. I have also consulted with NPIA and FBI colleagues to benefit
from their experiences.

The conclusion inferred is that beach burial is extremely rare. This should not
surprise us as to dig on a beach is a high risk activity requiring expending time
and energy when a more 'least effort" disposal is readily available, that is
directly into the sea. Of those limited cases that were found to be a beach
disposal the overwhelming majority were surface depositions with only one
recorded concealment using rocks on top of a 2 year old child (CATCHEM
Database)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

[ferryman]

You do not rule out anything in an unsolved case because MM could have been hidden under rocks - there were countless on PDL beach/cliffs.

Homicide Disposal Datasets

A limited search has been conducted of datasets that contain body disposal
data in homicide cases (CATCHEM, SCAS, FBI). Although this search was
limited due to the time constraints placed on this reports delivery an inference
can be gained from both the data sets and the authors own case work
experience. I have also consulted with NPIA and FBI colleagues to benefit
from their experiences.

The conclusion inferred is that beach burial is extremely rare. This should not
surprise us as to dig on a beach is a high risk activity requiring expending time
and energy when a more 'least effort" disposal is readily available, that is
directly into the sea. Of those limited cases that were found to be a beach
disposal the overwhelming majority were surface depositions with only one
recorded concealment using rocks on top of a 2 year old child (CATCHEM
Database)

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

In conclusion there is no intelligence spe?ic to this case or generic datasets
that support a scenario of beach burial. Additionally the digability study and
coastal dynamics of the Praia Da Luz beach further limit this as a viable
scenario.

Harrison ruled it out, and concluded his final report by opining that if Madeleine was dead, he found it most likely that her remains had been disposed of in the sea.

How Amaral mangled and misconstrued Harrison's conclusions as he did, heaven only knows.

[pathfinder73]

It cannot be ruled out as records show a 2 year old was concealed under rocks. There were countless rocks on that beach. When you search under every possible one then you can rule it out LOL.

[ferryman]

It cannot be ruled out as records show a 2 year old was concealed under rocks. There were countless rocks on that beach. When you search under every one then you can rule it out LOL.

You know better than Harrison?

You obviously think you do.