Was Pamela Fenn having senior moments?

[Robittybob1]

Pamela Fenn seems to get her dates wrong and makes confusing statements in a TV interview.

I proved in the thread Tuesday or Wednesday http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8299.msg412740#msg412740 that Mrs Fenn in all probability had the dates mixed up it being the 2nd not the 1st of May she heard the kid crying between 10:30 to 11:45.

Also considering she had made a statement to the PJ with important information the transcript of her interview captured on a YT video does not make much sense.

Transcript "Honestly, I have... I know nothing. I have been here three months, until all this happened. I've never spoken to a journalist, they've written rubbish in newspapers, I've never even uttered a word! I've never (sighs)... it's all rubbish! Please, please, just forget it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM

[G-Unit]

Pamela Fenn seems to get her dates wrong and makes confusing statements in a TV interview.

Cites?

[Eleanor]

Cites?

I agree.  Cites, Please.  We need to see what was said, and when, if we are to take this Thread seriously.

I have some memory of things said by Pamela Fenn, which appear to have been taken out of context of what was happening at the time.  I cannot remember when she said whatever she said.

In so far as I do remember, I think she was talking about not having spoken to Journalists, and not about not having spoken to The PJ.  Which she might not have done at that time.

[G-Unit]

I can see nothing which suggests that Mrs Fenn was confused.

[Eleanor]

I can see nothing which suggests that Mrs Fenn was confused.

No, nor can I, so far.  I never said that she was confused.  But I need The Cites.

[Mr Gray]

Mrs Fen's statement is non verbatim and translated
So again... How accurate is it

[Robittybob1]

Cites?

All of the issues were covered in the Tuesday or Wednesday thread.
I start off by asking the questions 
 I sometimes wonder if Pamela Fenn got her days mixed up after all the time had passed. I'm definitely unsure which night was the late night.
Which night could Madeleine cry for an hour and a quarter?  Which night did Matt stay out late?  Who did he stay drinking with?
So I start my research "http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm
Mrs Pamela Fenn 20 August 2007

"She also refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when she was at home alone, at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse."

Did the McCanns stay out late on the Tuesday night?" 
G-unit raised a similar issue before http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.msg250719#msg250719
Lace also questioned this statement. "I would question Mrs. Fenn's recollection of what she heard and when she heard it.

The crying episode,   Mrs. Fenn said she heard a child crying on the Tuesday evening,  this child cried for three quarters of an hour, then the child cried 'Daddy'.

In my opinion,    what Mrs. Fenn heard was Amelie wake up crying,   she then woke Sean and Madeleine,   in my opinion Sean then cried,  and then Madeleine called 'Daddy'    she then went into Kate and Gerry's bedroom,  Gerry was just about to go into their bedroom.   

I think Mrs. Fenn got the timing wrong as this all happened later than she said it did.

In my opinion this night is also what Madeleine referred to when she said 'why didn't you come when Sean and me were crying'    she meant the Tuesday night in my opinion,   Sean and Madeleine were woken by Amelie crying. http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6217.msg231788#msg231788

John said "It was the Tuesday night, the next night she went out to her friends house to get some peace and quiet.  The Thursday night she was at home and spoke over the balcony to one of the tapas crowd when she heard all the commotion going on."

I ask John "Can you recall why you think she went out on the Wednesday night?"   It certainly isn't in her statement.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8299.msg412755#msg412755  shows that the late night for the Tapas 9 was Wednesday not Tuesday. 

OK so Matt stays out late on the Wednesday night but does that mean the McCanns stayed out late too?
Wasn't that the night Gerry went back before Kate, the night Kate slept in the kids room on her own?

David payne also confirms it was  the Wednesday night they stayed out late http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8299.msg412819#msg412819

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8299.msg412821#msg412821

From that I would say it was Wednesday night that the kids were crying for that is the only night where they all stayed out as late as midnight.

[Robittybob1]

The second part of my question Pamela Fenn seems to make confusing statements in a TV interview.

Can we work out if her statement was made prior to her saying she knows nothing.  So lets see what she says and see if it actually make sense.

[Robittybob1]

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.nz/2007/12/mrs-fenn-british-press-its-all-rubbish.html

Daily express - Saturday August 18,2007: "A British widow has come forward with new information which could help Portuguese detectives solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, the Daily Express can reveal.

Ex-pat Pamela Fenn, who is in her 70’s, has told police she has three "bombshell" clues she believes could be vital to the inquiry."

Daily Express - Thursday August 30,2007: "Mrs Fenn, 81, told the police that two nights before the incident she heard a little girl loudly crying, “Daddy, daddy” in the apartment.

She said the crying had lasted for some time, but stopped when the McCanns returned to the apartment after dinner."

Sunday Mirror - 23/09/2007: "A key witness in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday DENIED telling cops that she heard the family screaming and arguing.

Pamela Fenn, 81, who lives above the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine vanished from, supposedly said she heard the four-year-old "scream for four hours" the night before."

Daily Mail - 19th August 2007 : Among them will be ex-pat Pamela Fenn, a widow in her 70s. She claims she "scared off" an intruder who had broken into her apartment in the days before the McCanns arrived to stay in the holiday flat directly below her.

Mrs Fenn has told friends she heard a noise as she watched television and found a man escaping through her bedroom window. Her niece, who was staying with her, also saw the man.

Were all these incorrect?

[Eleanor]

Thanks, Rob.  Good on ya.

[Innominate]

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.nz/2007/12/mrs-fenn-british-press-its-all-rubbish.html

Daily express - Saturday August 18,2007: "A British widow has come forward with new information which could help Portuguese detectives solve the mystery of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, the Daily Express can reveal.

Ex-pat Pamela Fenn, who is in her 70’s, has told police she has three "bombshell" clues she believes could be vital to the inquiry."

Daily Express - Thursday August 30,2007: "Mrs Fenn, 81, told the police that two nights before the incident she heard a little girl loudly crying, “Daddy, daddy” in the apartment.

She said the crying had lasted for some time, but stopped when the McCanns returned to the apartment after dinner."

Sunday Mirror - 23/09/2007: "A key witness in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday DENIED telling cops that she heard the family screaming and arguing.

Pamela Fenn, 81, who lives above the Praia da Luz apartment Madeleine vanished from, supposedly said she heard the four-year-old "scream for four hours" the night before."

Daily Mail - 19th August 2007 : Among them will be ex-pat Pamela Fenn, a widow in her 70s. She claims she "scared off" an intruder who had broken into her apartment in the days before the McCanns arrived to stay in the holiday flat directly below her.

Mrs Fenn has told friends she heard a noise as she watched television and found a man escaping through her bedroom window. Her niece, who was staying with her, also saw the man.

Were all these incorrect?

Which one do you think is incorrect?

For instance:

Sunday Mirror - 23/09/2007: "A key witness in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday DENIED telling cops that she heard the family screaming and arguing.

She didn't 'tell cops' that the family were screaming and arguing.

Her statement states:

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence

[Robittybob1]

Which one do you think is incorrect?

For instance:

Sunday Mirror - 23/09/2007: "A key witness in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday DENIED telling cops that she heard the family screaming and arguing.

She didn't 'tell cops' that the family were screaming and arguing.

Her statement states:

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence

To understand all the different reports of what Mrs Fenn said will take me quite a bit of time but even now I've seen 4 or 5 different ages given for her. 

[Robittybob1]

This report in a Portuguese paper was interesting for it had the day the same as what I consider correct but this was change days later was recorded in her statement as occurring a different day.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id331.htm

"Deposition: Child cried for her father Correio da Manhã (no longer available online)

Maddie yelled for her father

Wednesday 22 August 2007
With thanks to Astro for translation

The McCanns' neighbour in the Ocean Club apartment was heard on Monday by Policia Judiciaria and confirmed she heard Maddie crying for her father the day before she disappeared. Pamela Fenn, 70, had been questioned at the beginning of the investigation, but the day before yesterday she made a more precise deposition about the details of what she heard and the conversation she held with the girl's mother on the night that she vanished."

"The day before she disappeared" is the Wednesday not the Tuesday.
OK I can see how someone might start to get confused over this because  if on the day before missing she is heard crying and that was Wednesday but the night before that is Tuesday night.
Actually the crying and the disappearance all happened in the same 24 hour period but on different dates.

[Eleanor]

Which one do you think is incorrect?

For instance:

Sunday Mirror - 23/09/2007: "A key witness in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday DENIED telling cops that she heard the family screaming and arguing.

She didn't 'tell cops' that the family were screaming and arguing.

Her statement states:

When questioned, she said that she never heard any arguments between the couple or with their children. She said that the family would spend much time outside of the apartment and therefore she did not notice their presence

I suspect that Mrs. Fenn hadn't told The Cops anything at that point, simply because she hadn't been interviewed.  And quite possibly didn't know who they were.  Let alone heard them shouting and screaming.
But, hey ho, anything to knock The McCanns.

The statement by Mrs. Fenn is actually irrelevant.

[G-Unit]

The second part of my question Pamela Fenn seems to make confusing statements in a TV interview.

Can we work out if her statement was made prior to her saying she knows nothing.  So lets see what she says and see if it actually make sense.

A transcript of the SIC news report on 22nd August 2007, two days after she gave her statement;

Honestly, I have... I know nothing. I have been here three months, until all this happened. I've never spoken to a journalist, they've written rubbish in newspapers, I've never even uttered a word! I've never (sighs)... it's all rubbish! Please, please, just forget it.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id331.htm

The video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFHbkbBh5BM