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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2017, 08:49:54 PM »
Redwood has referred to several
Are you unaware
So which are they?
What's up, old man?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2017, 08:54:25 PM »
It seems to me that reported crimes are not always recorded in Portugal

Are you referring to the man seen by Ms Hall? What crime was committed? Did she report it to the police?
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Offline Brietta

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2017, 08:59:29 PM »
Margaret Hall is in a mess with which was the front and which was the back IMO

We all were to begin with if you remember.

She says the main dioor and, imo, that cannot mean patio doors.   Almost certainly she means the Front door.

But in the darkness,  apart from maybe his lower legs, a man would be well hidden by foliage such as I have shown.  Remember Margaret was coming from a lighted araea and looking out into blackness.  It takes time for the eyes to adjust in such circumstances.

What exactly is the sequence of events after Madeleine's disappearance?

Margaret Hall reported the event she experienced to the police.

The police put her in touch with metodo3 who were working for Madeleine's parents.

They took her statement and relayed it to the Portuguese.

The Portuguese police ruled it out of the investigation because it was not considered of relevance.

What is right and what is wrong with that?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline sadie

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2017, 09:42:57 PM »
What exactly is the sequence of events after Madeleine's disappearance?

Margaret Hall reported the event she experienced to the police.

The police put her in touch with metodo3 who were working for Madeleine's parents.

They took her statement and relayed it to the Portuguese.

The Portuguese police ruled it out of the investigation because it was not considered of relevance.

What is right and what is wrong with that?
In my book,

-   It is right that Margaret reported it to the Police
X  It is wrong that the Police ignored it, but I am glad they passed it on to Metodo, because otherwise we might never have heard about it.
-   It is unusual that Metodo had to take the statement from Margaret, that should have been the Polices job ... but good that they passed the statement on to the Police.
X   It is bad that they ruled it out of their investigation, because they say they did not consider it of relevance

Presumably it was considered of NO relevance because it went against Amarals almost immediate thesis that Madeleine died in 5A.  He was set in that thesis and didn't want anything indicating or proving it wrong, IMO


So analysing it:
The right things were done by Metodo and the wrong things were done by the Portuguese Police under Amarals command.


Poor Madeleine, she was badly let down by Amarals fixation that she died in 5A.   IMHO

Offline G-Unit

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2017, 10:03:24 PM »
In my book,

-   It is right that Margaret reported it to the Police
X  It is wrong that the Police ignored it, but I am glad they passed it on to Metodo, because otherwise we might never have heard about it. The police didn't pass anything to Metodo 3, she found them herself
-   It is unusual that Metodo had to take the statement from Margaret, that should have been the Polices job ... but good that they passed the statement on to the Police.
X   It is bad that they ruled it out of their investigation, because they say they did not consider it of relevance

Presumably it was considered of NO relevance because it went against Amarals almost immediate thesis that Madeleine died in 5A.  He was set in that thesis and didn't want anything indicating or proving it wrong, IMO
By the time Metodo 3 met with the PJ Amaral had gone from the investigation, so you can't hang that one on him...sorry!

So analysing it:
The right things were done by Metodo and the wrong things were done by the Portuguese Police under Amarals command. Not under Amaral's command!


Poor Madeleine, she was badly let down by Amarals fixation that she died in 5A.   IMHO

Corrected in red.
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Offline misty

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2017, 10:11:02 PM »
Corrected in red.

That is contrary to previous media reports contained on this thread. MH reported the matter initially to the police in Bolton.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3140.msg115271#msg115271

Offline G-Unit

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2017, 10:14:39 PM »
That is contrary to previous media reports contained on this thread. MH reported the matter initially to the police in Bolton.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3140.msg115271#msg115271

They did nothing, so she contacted Metodo 3.
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Offline misty

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2017, 10:39:08 PM »
They did nothing, so she contacted Metodo 3.

Why do you believe the UK police did nothing, not that the PJ failed to act upon receipt of the information? How many times have we read that the PJ have disregarded potentially important information?
Did the PJ ever follow up Amanda Mills' information? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html

Offline Brietta

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2017, 11:24:06 PM »
Why do you believe the UK police did nothing, not that the PJ failed to act upon receipt of the information? How many times have we read that the PJ have disregarded potentially important information?
Did the PJ ever follow up Amanda Mills' information? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html

A mother described today how she saw a "scruffy, unshaven" man acting suspiciously in the same resort from where three-year-old Madeleine McCann was abducted.

Amanda Mills, 34, said the man, who had a dark tan, was loitering around children and "hiding in the shadow" outside a ground floor flat yards from where Madeleine's family were staying.
She said she alerted reception staff at the Ocean Village complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, but did not hear any more about it. Madeleine disappeared last Thursday night.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html


The newspaper report is dated 08th May 2007 and states Mrs Mills had visited the resort "a fortnight ago".  Does that mean that she was on holiday at the same time as the McCanns?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline misty

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2017, 11:43:54 PM »
A mother described today how she saw a "scruffy, unshaven" man acting suspiciously in the same resort from where three-year-old Madeleine McCann was abducted.

Amanda Mills, 34, said the man, who had a dark tan, was loitering around children and "hiding in the shadow" outside a ground floor flat yards from where Madeleine's family were staying.
She said she alerted reception staff at the Ocean Village complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, but did not hear any more about it. Madeleine disappeared last Thursday night.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html


The newspaper report is dated 08th May 2007 and states Mrs Mills had visited the resort "a fortnight ago".  Does that mean that she was on holiday at the same time as the McCanns?

There was an Adam Mills booked in for 2 weeks from 21/4.... 2+1 3year old.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/T/03_VOLUME_IIIa_Page_617.jpg

His wife was listed as Mrs J Mills, though http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P2/02_VOLUME_IIa_Page_340.jpg but that booking shows only 7 nights.


ETA Has a keen interest in the case. https://twitter.com/ad_mills/status/389465949843124225/photo/1
« Last Edit: July 01, 2017, 11:47:16 PM by misty »

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2017, 02:05:09 AM »
What exactly is the sequence of events after Madeleine's disappearance?

Margaret Hall reported the event she experienced to the police.

The police put her in touch with metodo3 who were working for Madeleine's parents.

They took her statement and relayed it to the Portuguese.

The Portuguese police ruled it out of the investigation because it was not considered of relevance.

What is right and what is wrong with that?
What I find wrong is that Ms. Hall's initial report to the MW management seemed to be ignored and they were more interested in the rat problem than the prowlers around the apartments.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2017, 02:13:49 AM »
A mother described today how she saw a "scruffy, unshaven" man acting suspiciously in the same resort from where three-year-old Madeleine McCann was abducted.

Amanda Mills, 34, said the man, who had a dark tan, was loitering around children and "hiding in the shadow" outside a ground floor flat yards from where Madeleine's family were staying.
She said she alerted reception staff at the Ocean Village complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, but did not hear any more about it. Madeleine disappeared last Thursday night.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html


The newspaper report is dated 08th May 2007 and states Mrs Mills had visited the resort "a fortnight ago".  Does that mean that she was on holiday at the same time as the McCanns?
The man has some similarities to the description of the person seen by Margaret Hall.  I'm surprised now that he hasn't been on the wanted list.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2017, 10:23:23 AM »
Why do you believe the UK police did nothing, not that the PJ failed to act upon receipt of the information? How many times have we read that the PJ have disregarded potentially important information?
Did the PJ ever follow up Amanda Mills' information? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1550955/Scruffy-man-seen-near-Madeleine-resort.html

There's no evidence that Bolton police passed the information to anyone. That suggests they did nothing with it. The PJ were told about it a year after it happened. Just what they were supposed to do escapes me. The Mills person didn't report anything to the PJ, so how could they follow up her information?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2017, 11:06:39 AM »
There's no evidence that Bolton police passed the information to anyone. That suggests they did nothing with it. The PJ were told about it a year after it happened. Just what they were supposed to do escapes me. The Mills person didn't report anything to the PJ, so how could they follow up her information?
That person may have been known to the PJ.  I think it a little simplistic to say " just what they were supposed to do escapes me".
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Claim there was as a previous attempt at an abduction from 5a.
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2017, 11:25:21 AM »
That person may have been known to the PJ.  I think it a little simplistic to say " just what they were supposed to do escapes me".

There will always be a cost/benefit element when deciding what to investigate. If the PJ had investigated everything reported to them by the enthusiastic British public, no matter how tenuous the possible connection, Portugal would probably be bankrupt now. I think it's simplistic to suggest that all information is equally valid and worthy of spending time and resources on.
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