Is a reconstruction a feasible option?

[Holly Goodhead]

We have been through this previously.  One cannot draw any inferences by reference to where someone was shot since they could have turned, knelt or made any number of manoeuvres to avoid being hit.  Put yourself in Nevill's position for a moment, would you face a bullet head on or turn your back to it?  For all we know maybe he backed out of the room faced with a crazed shooter.

No.  It is possible for forensics to reconstruct soc using laser technology and bullet trajectory analysis to pinpoint perp and victim location 

NB did both.  He sustained 2 gsw's to his face: lip and jaw, and 2 to his rear: shoulder and elbow/chest graze wound.

[Angelo222]

No.  It is possible for forensics to reconstruct soc using laser technology and bullet trajectory analysis to pinpoint perp and victim location 

NB did both.  He sustained 2 gsw's to his face: lip and jaw, and 2 to his rear: shoulder and elbow/chest graze wound.

You can only do that with a static object like what they did in the Oscar Pistorius case with the toilet door.  It is impossible to do the same with two moving people as the permutations are endless.

[John]

You can only do that with a static object like what they did in the Oscar Pistorius case with the toilet door.  It is impossible to do the same with two moving people as the permutations are endless.

Absolutely correct. 

[Holly Goodhead]

It will be possible to reconstruct the SoC at WHF using bullet trajectory analysis to ascertain perp and victim position.  This will determine whether NB sustained his facial GSW's in the bedroom or on the landing facing towards the bedroom and his shoulder and elbow/chest graze wound on the main stairs facing down towards the hall. 

Bullets used at WHF have a muzzle velocity of 1040ft/s.  NB sustained the facial shots from "within inches".  Once the perp discharged the rifle it would take > 1/1000 s to strike NB which is much quicker than a human can think or move.

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZHnORsz78

For the naysayers check out the JFK vid on bullet trajectory which established perp location.  This was far more complex than WHF as the distance is much greater.

[Angelo222]

It will be possible to reconstruct the SoC at WHF using bullet trajectory analysis to ascertain perp and victim position.  This will determine whether NB sustained his facial GSW's in the bedroom or on the landing facing towards the bedroom and his shoulder and elbow/chest graze wound on the main stairs facing down towards the hall. 

Bullets used at WHF have a muzzle velocity of 1040ft/s.  NB sustained the facial shots from "within inches".  Once the perp discharged the rifle it would take > 1/1000 s to strike NB which is much quicker than a human can think or move.

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZHnORsz78

For the naysayers check out the JFK vid on bullet trajectory which established perp location.  This was far more complex than WHF as the distance is much greater.

Certainly cannot Holly but for some reason you fail to understand this very basic concept.  That technique can only be applied to solid structures like doors and walls.

[Holly Goodhead]

Certainly cannot Holly but for some reason you fail to understand this very basic concept.  That technique can only be applied to solid structures like doors and walls.

My post is timed at 5.04 and yours at 5.16.  The vid I uploaded is 20.02 long.  Why not listen to the vid and hear the experts explain how bullet trajectory analysis works?  The techniques used can apply to any SoC reconstruction where a firearm is discharged and perp location unknown including WHF. 

[John]

My post is timed at 5.04 and yours at 5.16.  The vid I uploaded is 20.02 long.  Why not listen to the vid and hear the experts explain how bullet trajectory analysis works?  The techniques used can apply to any SoC reconstruction where a firearm is discharged and perp location unknown including WHF.

The shooting of Kennedy from the book depository is completely different to the WHF scenario. The position of the shooter in the former can be accurately determined to within inches since it was an almost fixed firing position but in the latter, the positions of Nevill and his assailant are unknown as are their relative juxtapositions.  Frankly it is impossible to recreate what occurred at White House Farm because there are far too many unknown variables.

[Holly Goodhead]

The shooting of Kennedy from the book depository is completely different to the WHF scenario. The position of the shooter in the former can be accurately determined to within inches since it was an almost fixed firing position but in the latter, the positions of Nevill and his assailant are unknown as are their relative juxtapositions.  Frankly it is impossible to recreate what occurred at White House Farm because there are far too many unknown variables.

It isn't different.  It applies to all shooting incidents.  Reconstructions enable experts to pinpoint perp/victim location when the firearm was discharged based on bullet trajectory analysis.  The whole point of the JFK revonstruction was to confirm or reject the official theory that the perp (assassin) fired the shot from the book depository.  The video shows how they ruled out other locations based on bullet trajectory.  Far simpler at WHF as the distances involved amount to inches for the facial wounds and approx 2' for the shoulder amd elbow/chest wounds.  You don't have to believe me wait for the WHF reconstruction....coming soon.   

[John]

It isn't different.  It applies to all shooting incidents.  Reconstructions enable experts to pinpoint perp/victim location when the firearm was discharged based on bullet trajectory analysis.  The whole point of the JFK revonstruction was to confirm or reject the official theory that the perp (assassin) fired the shot from the book depository.  The video shows how they ruled out other locations based on bullet trajectory.  Far simpler at WHF as the distances involved amount to inches for the facial wounds and approx 2' for the shoulder amd elbow/chest wounds.  You don't have to believe me wait for the WHF reconstruction....coming soon.   

To do so you need to identify the firing point.  In the video the firing point was the open window of the book depository.  Can you identify the firing point at WHF?  Was the rifle at waste level, chin level or anywhere in between?

I don't see a reconstruction as being a feasible option in this case.

[Holly Goodhead]

To do so you need to identify the firing point.  In the video the firing point was the open window of the book depository.  Can you identify the firing point at WHF?  Was the rifle at waste level, chin level or anywhere in between?

I don't see a reconstruction as being a feasible option in this case.

No the whole point of a reconstruction is to identify the "firing point" ie perp location and position of barrel upon discharge.  The starting points are NB's wound tracks ie angles of impact when the bullets struck and work back from there to establish the trajectory of bullets ie flight path of bullet. 

In the vid the laser trajectory analysis confirmed the assassin shot JFK from the book depository window after eliminating other positions based on the method I have described above. 

[John]

No the whole point of a reconstruction is to identify the "firing point" ie perp location and position of barrel upon discharge.  The starting points are NB's wound tracks ie angles of impact when the bullets struck and work back from there to establish the trajectory of bullets ie flight path of bullet.

It's an impossible task Holls, only the perp will ever know for sure what actually occurred.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's an impossible task Holls, only the perp will ever know for sure what actually occurred.

http://sgh.rcschools.net/ourpages/auto/2017/4/6/70308412/Wheres%20the%20shooter%20lab%20.doc

[Myster]

More common sense needed... and less "A Level Maths". 

[Angelo222]

http://sgh.rcschools.net/ourpages/auto/2017/4/6/70308412/Wheres%20the%20shooter%20lab%20.doc

Solid objects Holly.

[Holly Goodhead]

Solid objects Holly.

What solid objects were involved in the JFK reconstruction?

What solid objects were involved in the following reconstructions?

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312145210_Gunshot_Wound_Trajectory_Analysis_Using_Forensic_Animation_to_Establish_Relative_Positions_of_Shooter_and_Victim

http://journals.lww.com/amjforensicmedicine/Abstract/2003/06000/Reconstruction_of_the_Angle_of_Shot_by_Using.10.aspx

I can assure you it is possible to reconstruct the SoC at WHF and determine the perp and NB's location when he sustained his 4 x upstairs GSW's. 

An assumption exists NB sustained his upstairs GSW's in the bedroom.  This doesn't appear to be based on anything remotely scientific just an assumption that appears to have gone unchallenged.  IMO, based on the physical evidence at SoC, NB sustained his 4 x upstairs GSW's on the landing stairs and main stairs.