General discussion about the latest news (not search related)

[stephen25000]

Any such explanation would need to include the reasons why non-stop alerts from start to finish during any investigation everywhere do not occur......despite pork, lavatories, nosebleeds..... and all other residues found in the everyday work of the woofie on duty.

As I said, do we insinuate it`s all down to handler bias, cuing to alert or not to alert , all of which malpractices  are glaringly obvious to those such as yourself ........( The handler doesn`t fool you! It apparently only needs good eyesight and common sense to have him bang to rights.)........

.........or do we accept that you aren`t the expert and request that you stop smearing those who are ?

It's pure desperation on their part.

I heard that even on stop the my###, they hasve dropped the thread claiming the mccanns won in the trial.

[Benice]

Any such explanation would need to include the reasons why non-stop alerts from start to finish during any investigation everywhere do not occur......despite pork, lavatories, nosebleeds..... and all other residues found in the everyday work of the woofie on duty.

As I said, do we insinuate it`s all down to handler bias, cuing to alert or not to alert , all of which malpractices  are glaringly obvious to those such as yourself ........( The handler doesn`t fool you! It apparently only needs good eyesight and common sense to have him bang to rights.)........

.........or do we accept that you aren`t the expert and request that you stop smearing those who are ?

LOL - I am not smearing anyone.     It is M. Grime's assertions about his dog's abilities not mine that I am using to make a point.   I fully accept that what he tells us about his dogs skills are true.    You are shooting the messenger.

Either you believe Martin Grime's claims about his dogs skills or you don't.   I believe him - therefore it must be for some other reason why the dogs did not alert in any of the 9 other cars or any of the other apartments. - where common sense alone dictates that alerts would have been made - if they had been given long enough.     

IMO it was pointless to even include other cars and  other apartments in this test unless the dogs were given the same chance to find a scent in those places as they were given in 5A and the Renault.    That didn't happen.

[lordpookles]

Do we know if Grimes knew whose car was whose?

It probably doesn't need saying but obviously Keela only goes in when Eddie alerts. You definitely make an interesting point Benice given the blood alerts only at the McCanns properly plus car. I assume both dogs alert to any kind of blood from a living or dead person even though the dogs can tell the difference? An important point to note imo is we don't know if Eddie was alerting to possible cadaver scent or blood do we at the hire car?

[pathfinder73]

LOL - I am not smearing anyone.     It is M. Grime's assertions about his dog's abilities not mine that I am using to make a point.   I fully accept that what he tells us about his dogs skills are true.    You are shooting the messenger.

Either you believe Martin Grime's claims about his dogs skills or you don't.   I believe him - therefore it must be for some other reason why the dogs did not alert in any of the 9 other cars or any of the other apartments. - where common sense alone dictates that alerts would have been made - if they had been given long enough.     

IMO it was pointless to even include other cars and  other apartments in this test unless the dogs were given the same chance to find a scent in those places as they were given in 5A and the Renault.    That didn't happen.

The dogs are regularly tested so it is proven they can perform their job correctly or they wouldn't be working. It's not because Martin Grime says so! The dogs records speak for themselves. Eddie can detect that odour he knows so well. This was the enhanced training of the dog to recognise and alert to cadaver odour. These dogs were trained daily by MG.

[Alice Purjorick]

Indeed we have probably done this one a lot more than twice ... so maybe you can show us the Renault model that has porous door seals and maybe even an air vent or something in the front  doors just so that the car doesn't turn into a bomb when the air con unit is operating?
Does it work along the same principle as a pressurised plane ... or do they have porous door fittings too?

Really quite interested in how blood scent leaches through a padded metal door and an airtight seal and you seem to be the person to ask.

Oh dear! maybe you should have paid a little more attention when/if you studied physics.
Are you suggesting that Renault Scenic is designed to be pressurised like an aircraft?
Do you understand why an aircraft has a pressurised cabin and why a Renault Scenic does not?

Edited.
Sorry I missed the question highlighted.
Simples cos in this instance the seal ain't bleedin' air tight.

[lordpookles]

The airtight car is simply a non starter imo

[Wonderfulspam]

The airtight car is simply a non starter imo

I've got some jump leads if you want...

[Benice]

Do we know if Crimes knew whose car was whose?

It probably doesn't need saying but obviously Keela only goes in when Eddie alerts. You definitely make an interesting point Benice given the blood alerts. I assume both dogs alert to any kind of blood from a living or dead person even though they dogs can tell the difference?

I believe M. Grime claimed not to have known the Renault was the McCanns, although the 'Madeline'  posters stuck on the car windows was a pretty obvious giveaway imo.  It would very unlikely IMO that he did not know that 5A was the McCanns apartment.

AFAIK both dogs alert to blood from dead or living persons.  They do not alert to fresh/wet blood.   They simply alert to the particular scent they have been trained to detect  - and don't know that it is blood they are alerting to - or who it belongs to - or even how long it has been there - which according to Grime-  could be decades.

Once Keela had been put in the Renault then she should have been put in the other cars also IMO.

[Carew]

LOL - I am not smearing anyone.     It is M. Grime's assertions about his dog's abilities not mine that I am using to make a point.   I fully accept that what he tells us about his dogs skills are true.    You are shooting the messenger.

Either you believe Martin Grime's claims about his dogs skills or you don't.   I believe him - therefore it must be for some other reason why the dogs did not alert in any of the 9 other cars or any of the other apartments. - where common sense alone dictates that alerts would have been made - if they had been given long enough.      

IMO it was pointless to even include other cars and  other apartments in this test unless the dogs were given the same chance to find a scent in those places as they were given in 5A and the Renault.    That didn't happen.

So we circle back to the oft repeated insinuations about the handling of the dog.........

in effect that given enough time and / or cuing, the dog will alert eventually anywhere the handler consciously or unconsciously wants him to.

 ......whilst at the same time, he`s apparently cleverly "negative cuing" to prevent any alerts to residues of pork products, lavatories, bathrooms, bins and ovens............ or historical splodges of this that or the other ........

.............which I posted in the first place.

[pathfinder73]

I believe M. Grime claimed not to have known the Renault was the McCanns, although the 'Madeline'  posters stuck on the car windows was a pretty obvious giveaway imo.  It would very unlikely IMO that he did not know that 5A was the McCanns apartment.

AFAIK both dogs alert to blood from dead or living persons.  They do not alert to fresh/wet blood.   They simply alert to the particular scent they have been trained to detect  - and don't know that it is blood they are alerting to - or who it belongs to - or even how long it has been there - which according to Grime-  could be decades.

Once Keela had been put in the Renault then she should have been put in the other cars also IMO.

Eddie's behaviour substantially changed when passing their car. It had nothing to do with Martin Grime. The dog detected the scent when passing that car so Martin Grime had to bring him back to examine it further. Only when Eddie alerts Keela is used.

[DCI]

Perhaps the GNR that drove the scenic from the cafe put his lunch in the boot.

Where was the scenic kept between being taken from the cafe, till it turned up at the garage?

[ferryman]

Eddie's behaviour substantially changed when passing their car. It had nothing to do with Martin Grime. The dog detected the scent when passing that car so Martin Grime had to bring him back to examine it further. Only when Eddie alerts Keela is used.

The scent of Gerry's blood on the ignition key won't have exercised the dog to that degree, I'm sure ...

[Carew]

Perhaps the GNR that drove the scenic from the cafe put his lunch in the boot.

Where was the scenic kept between being taken from the cafe, till it turned up at the garage?

Ah...........Yet another pesky pork sandwich alert..........Dogs alerting similarly at investigation sites everywhere,  all the time...

[DCI]

Ah...........Yet another pesky pork sandwich alert..........Dogs alerting similarly at investigation sites everywhere,  all the time...

Oh, I didn't know he had a pork sandwich.

[Carew]

Oh, I didn't know he had a pork sandwich.

Well apparently "common sense" tells us that pork products could be involved, so I assumed it wasn`t sardines.