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Alfie

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2445 on: March 19, 2017, 09:48:16 AM »
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780952/family-man-interviewed-over-Madeleine-McCann-call-police-close-case

THE family of a man interviewed over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have called on police to close the case.

By JAMES MURRAY, IN PRAIA DA LUZ
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Mar 19, 2017

They claim it lacks evidence, is casting a cloud over their lives and is unfair.

Their relative is one of three men living in the Algarve town of Praia da Luz named in the Portuguese press as “arguidos” – a legal term loosely translated as “suspects”.

Scotland Yard detectives felt the trio should be interviewed, as phone records suggested they were in contact when Madeleine was taken on May 3, 2007.

All denied having anything to with the three year old when interviewed three years ago by Portuguese detectives with Scotland Yard officers present.

Two have jobs and the other suffers from mental health problems.

He has told friends the continuing investigation is unjustified and is affecting his health. None can be named for legal reasons.

However, a sibling of one of the men said: “This investigation is just so unfair.

“My brother is 100 per cent innocent. He has spoken with police, like the others, but he cannot talk about it because of judicial secrecy laws in Portugal.

“He is working, has a responsible job and just wants to get on with his life without this cloud hanging over him.”

The man works on the Algarve in the tourism industry and has a wide circle of friends who are standing by him.

One said: “All this nonsense has affected him. He was the centre of the party years ago, before all this, and loved hanging out with his friends, going to parties, cycling around town and just having a good time.

“Now he likes to lead a quiet life and tells friends he wants all this to go away.

“Like everyone in Luz he wants the mystery to be solved.

“This investigation by Scotland Yard has gone on too long. If they can’t get anywhere, they should speak to the Portuguese authorities and let them formally close it down.

“The file would be shelved again and only opened if there is a significant development. That is more fair than having a cloud of suspicion hanging over the Algarve.”

The Home Office has given the Yard’s Operation Grange team £85,000 more, to fund the four-strong team, headed by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, who are looking into the case.

The Portuguese are in charge of the case and the Yard has to work closely with them to carry out enquiries.

Some newspapers in Portugal have suggested a man Scotland Yard want interviewed further – not one of the three men – had links to the Ocean Club, from where Madeleine went missing.

There was also a report that the Yard wants to speak to a homeless drifter on the Algarve, allegedly involved in petty theft on the day Madeleine disappeared.

As the 10th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance approaches, Scotland Yard is considering what to do to capitalise on the global interest in the case.

So far officers have ruled out producing an “age progression” picture of what Madeline would look like at 13 and are reluctant to hold a press conference.

But a high-ranking officer may give television and radio interviews.

Madeleine’s parents Kate, 49, and Gerry McCann, 48, a heart expert, are considering giving one television interview, possibly to Piers Morgan or ITV News presenter Mary Nightingale.

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Why have these arguidos failed to prove their innocence?  They do realise that closing the case won't clear them don't they?  At least they have the advantage of not being internationally known and hated, so they should count themselves lucky IMO.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2446 on: March 19, 2017, 10:38:07 AM »
Why have these arguidos failed to prove their innocence?  They do realise that closing the case won't clear them don't they?  At least they have the advantage of not being internationally known and hated, so they should count themselves lucky IMO.
My sentiments too. 
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stephen25000

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2447 on: March 20, 2017, 09:27:29 AM »
' Kate and Gerry McCann vow to fight any prosecution for abandoning their children after Katie Hopkins demanded 'justice'

The parents of Maddie McCann have hit back at the outspoken reality star. '


http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kate-gerry-mccann-vow-fight-10060709

' FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone

The 10-year milestone of Maddie's mysterious disappearance is looming. '

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3128358/maddie-mccanns-parents-fight-tooth-and-nail-if-prosecuted-over-leaving-kids-alone/

Offline Robittybob1

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2448 on: March 20, 2017, 09:46:52 AM »
' Kate and Gerry McCann vow to fight any prosecution for abandoning their children after Katie Hopkins demanded 'justice'

The parents of Maddie McCann have hit back at the outspoken reality star. '


http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kate-gerry-mccann-vow-fight-10060709

' FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone

The 10-year milestone of Maddie's mysterious disappearance is looming. '

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3128358/maddie-mccanns-parents-fight-tooth-and-nail-if-prosecuted-over-leaving-kids-alone/
They must still feel it is within the time limit of the statute of limitations for that charge.
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Offline barrier

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2449 on: March 20, 2017, 09:55:13 AM »
Get past the headlines,the headlines talk in present tense the articles talk in past tense.

The Mirror:The source insists: “Any legal action against them would have failed. A court would have to show Kate and Gerry had wilfully neglected their daughter and her siblings, and they did not. They would have robustly defended any charges, if brought.”

The Sun:MADELEINE McCann’s parents vowed they would have “fought tooth and nail” if they had ever been prosecuted for leaving their missing daughter and her twin brother and sister alone, a close pal has revealed.
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2450 on: March 20, 2017, 10:05:26 AM »
' Kate and Gerry McCann vow to fight any prosecution for abandoning their children after Katie Hopkins demanded 'justice'

The parents of Maddie McCann have hit back at the outspoken reality star. '


http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kate-gerry-mccann-vow-fight-10060709

' FIGHTING THEIR CORNER Maddie McCann’s parents vow to fight ‘tooth and nail’ if they are ever prosecuted over leaving their kids alone

The 10-year milestone of Maddie's mysterious disappearance is looming. '

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3128358/maddie-mccanns-parents-fight-tooth-and-nail-if-prosecuted-over-leaving-kids-alone/

I see the dreaded friend pops up again. He/she seems to be getting the message garbled though;

in legal terms they were doing everything well within the bounds of respectable parenting.”

I didn't know we had laws governing the respectability of parenting.  @)(++(*
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Offline Eleanor

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2451 on: March 20, 2017, 10:14:16 AM »
I see the dreaded friend pops up again. He/she seems to be getting the message garbled though;

in legal terms they were doing everything well within the bounds of respectable parenting.”

I didn't know we had laws governing the respectability of parenting.  @)(++(*

"Responsible Parenting."

Offline G-Unit

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2452 on: March 20, 2017, 10:17:30 AM »
"Responsible Parenting."

I know what was meant, I was commenting on what was reported. Sloppy journalism.
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Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2453 on: March 27, 2017, 12:04:18 AM »
Monteiro, 40, a drug addict and ex Ocean Club worker, who died in a tractor accident in 2009, was also ruled out.

“Yes, he was a suspect but on the files that I saw there was no evidence that he was involved to the level that the Portuguese police thought” said Mr Edgar.

“My understanding is that they were convinced he had done it. They decided it was him. On what basis?”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/someone-protecting-madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-10104793



Misty pointed out, "So the PJ were convinced it was Euclideswotdunit! Who forgot to tell the Appeal Court Judges about that fact?"

Dave Edgar is obviously quoting from the files we have not seen.  It seems therefore that Euclides Monteiro was a suspect long before his name was released in 2013 when the Portuguese reopened the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

The McCanns who must have known what was in that file, have been horribly traduced by the establishment in Portugal ... yet this information was sitting in a file being studiously ignored by those with the power to intervene while that was going on.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2454 on: March 27, 2017, 12:41:27 AM »
Monteiro, 40, a drug addict and ex Ocean Club worker, who died in a tractor accident in 2009, was also ruled out.

“Yes, he was a suspect but on the files that I saw there was no evidence that he was involved to the level that the Portuguese police thought” said Mr Edgar.

“My understanding is that they were convinced he had done it. They decided it was him. On what basis?”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/someone-protecting-madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-10104793



Misty pointed out, "So the PJ were convinced it was Euclideswotdunit! Who forgot to tell the Appeal Court Judges about that fact?"

Dave Edgar is obviously quoting from the files we have not seen.  It seems therefore that Euclides Monteiro was a suspect long before his name was released in 2013 when the Portuguese reopened the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

The McCanns who must have known what was in that file, have been horribly traduced by the establishment in Portugal ... yet this information was sitting in a file being studiously ignored by those with the power to intervene while that was going on.
I think you are off-base on multiple levels, so you may wish to rethink.

As we have just finally managed to purchase our house in Portelas (yes we finally own the beast, water is reconnected, electricity later today) I happen to be InterestedInPortelas.  Not quite as snazzy as ShiningInLuz, but when one needs, one must.

First, take a look at the Mirror's block 5 in your link.  Kindly note it is not block 5.  This is par for the course for the Mirror.

After this stramash, are we expected to believe Edgar has access to files that we do not?  Obviously, his PI report went to the McCanns, but that is not what he seems to be talking about.

Precisely when did Senhor Monteiro enter the public domain?  This is no small point.  I hope that in the next month or so I can have a chat with Sr Monteiro's widow or friends in Portelas so I'd like to get it right.
What's up, old man?

Offline Brietta

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2455 on: March 27, 2017, 02:16:58 AM »
I think you are off-base on multiple levels, so you may wish to rethink.

As we have just finally managed to purchase our house in Portelas (yes we finally own the beast, water is reconnected, electricity later today) I happen to be InterestedInPortelas.  Not quite as snazzy as ShiningInLuz, but when one needs, one must.

First, take a look at the Mirror's block 5 in your link.  Kindly note it is not block 5.  This is par for the course for the Mirror.

After this stramash, are we expected to believe Edgar has access to files that we do not?  Obviously, his PI report went to the McCanns, but that is not what he seems to be talking about.

Precisely when did Senhor Monteiro enter the public domain?  This is no small point.  I hope that in the next month or so I can have a chat with Sr Monteiro's widow or friends in Portelas so I'd like to get it right.

Congratulations on your move; I wish you and your family long and happy enjoyment of your new home.

In my opinion he is talking not about files he generated but about files he had sight of when working for the McCanns. 

I did note the photograph used was not of Block 5; in my opinion the viewpoint is from Block 5 taking in Block 2 on the opposite side of R. Dr. Agostinho da Silva from Block 5.
Anyway the photograph does not purport to be Block 5; the caption reads ... "Praia Da Luz Ocean Club Resort where Madeleine McCann went missing from flat 5a".
Not even an error and who knows what the photo editor's intention was but in my opinion it means little to the body of the article in which it is clearly stated that the Policia Judiciaria suspected Euclides Montiero ... not the Brits ... the PJ.

Clearly they had a stranger suspect ... clearly they were aware of stranger abduction ... and in my opinion the determination was made as a result of the Rebelo investigation of late 2007\08 and the file seen was one of those not released into the public domain.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline John

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2456 on: March 27, 2017, 02:45:18 AM »
As the 10th anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance approaches we will be treated to more and more of these speculations which after all sell newspapers and are nice little earners for all concerned.  Unfortunately though, none of this brings closure of this case any nearer.

Madeleine is still missing with the truth of her disappearance being as evasive as ever.



Someone is protecting Madeleine McCann's kidnappers' claims cop who spent years hunting her

Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar says the motive for taking Madeleine was sexual and insists her parents had nothing to do with her disappearance

BY PAUL BYRNE, MARTIN FRICKER
26 MAR 2017


Someone is protecting Madeleine McCann’s kidnappers, says a detective who hunted for her for three years.

As Kate McCann faced her 10th Mother’s Day without Maddie, retired Det Insp Dave Edgar broke his silence for the first time to open his files.


Revealing findings, that a child-sex gang most likely took the three-year-old, he said: “Someone knows what happened and it’s time they came forward.”

Mr Edgar believes an abductor has secretly confessed to the crime and, speaking for the first time since his three-year private investigation into the 2007 disappearance, he said one of those involved will have opened-up to a friend or relative.

Calling for an end to the agony of Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry, he pleaded: “If anyone confided in you, now is the time to come forward.”

One of the top experts on the case, he also believes:

There is no evidence to suggest Kate and Gerry were involved.
It was a well planned abduction.

There was no evidence against two prime suspects of abducting her from Praia Da Luz in May.
The motive for taking three-year-old Madeleine was sexual.
There is still hope she is alive.

Former Det Insp Dave Edgar said he still has hope Madeleine may be alive.

He insists that Kate and Gerry McCann were not involved in their daughter's disappearance (Photo: PA)
When the Metropolitan Police took over the search in 2011, Mr Edgar handed his files to the force.

But he has kept in contact with the probe and believes a new appeal could finally solve it.

He said: “Someone knows, it must be on someone’s conscience, please come forward.”

After Madeleine vanished from the McCanns’ Warner Ocean Club holiday flat, while her parents were dining with friends, Portuguese police named Kate and Gerry as “arguidos” or suspects.

But Mr Edgar dismisses that, flying in the face of last week’s Lisbon court decision to uphold the right of Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral to publish his book alleging Madeleine had died and the McCanns covered it up.

“I was looking at everything and that would include them,” he said.

“If I found any evidence against Kate and Gerry I would have given it to the police immediately. Kate and Gerry would expect no less. But I found no shred of evidence.

“We obviously look at all factors – motive, preparation, opportunity – and there was absolutely nothing.”

During his probe, paid for by the Find Madeleine Fund, Mr Edgar’s small team of investigators examined a number of potential suspects, including two of the most high profile names on the list, Raymond Hewlett and Euclides Monteiro.

Convicted UK paedophile Hewlett was living near the resort in 2007. He died, aged 64, of cancer in Germany in 2010.

Mr Edgar, 60, said: “He was high on the person of interest list as far as the press were concerned but he was someone who we just wanted to speak to and look at. In terms of fitting the profile, Hewlett would probably come as close as you would get to a main suspect.

But he added: “There was no hard and fast evidence because, if there had been, he would have been arrested.”

Monteiro, 40, a drug addict and ex Ocean Club worker, who died in a tractor accident in 2009, was also ruled out.

“Yes, he was a suspect but on the files that I saw there was no evidence that he was involved to the level that the Portuguese police thought” said Mr Edgar.

“My understanding is that they were convinced he had done it. They decided it was him. On what basis?”

So what did happen to Madeleine? Mr Edgar had a 30-year career with the RUC and Cheshire police and worked on high profile murder cases, including Shafilea Ahmed and Garry Newlove.

He has heard dozens of theories about Madeleine – that she had wandered off, and been run over, become the victim of a random burglar or taken by someone wanting to raise a child for themselves.

He believes it was a planned operation by a lone kidnapper or a gang.

He said: “There was a very narrow window of opportunity for them to get away with Madeleine. So it does point to it being planned and some level of surveillance, perhaps of the apartment.”

He added: “If the motive was gang-related child prostitution, there might have been more than one involved.”

And that’s where a breakthrough may come. He said: “They can’t keep it to themselves and research has shown they always confide in someone else.

“I think that someone else apart from the perpetrator knows and that is one of the best hopes of getting to the truth, that someone comes forward and says what they know.”

He says a cash reward, like those offered in the past, is unlikely to yield results, but an appeal to the heart might. Instead, he wants a police-backed European campaign.

Dave Edgar wants to appeal 'to the heart' to see if anyone will come forward (Photo: Daily Mirror)
“I’m talking about TV, posters, letters, text messages, new technology. We’re talking Europe. Get the message out there.”

He fears whoever was responsible will have struck again. He said: “It’s the type of crime they cannot help themselves, certainly if it was sexually motivated.”

Like millions of others, the retired detective clings to the hope that Madeleine is still alive, possibly being held prisoner and potentially still in Portugal.

There have been a number of cases where victims have emerged after being held in captivity for years.

“Until such time that a body is found it is a live investigation and there is always hope,” he said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/someone-protecting-madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-10104793
« Last Edit: March 27, 2017, 02:52:19 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

stephen25000

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Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2457 on: March 27, 2017, 07:50:49 AM »
Now Edgar of course was employed on behalf of the Mccanns.

He has made various claims, such as Madeleine being in a lawless village, 10 miles from PDL.

There was the press conference headed by him and Mitchell, in regard to the the 'Beckham lookalike', which in reality was not investigated.

The Mail on Sunday, however, has established that members of Mr Edgar’s team who had visited Barcelona:

Failed to speak to anyone working at the seafood restaurant near where the agitated woman was seen at 2am.

Failed to ask the port authority about movement of boats around the time Madeleine disappeared.

Failed to ask if the mystery woman had been filmed on CCTV.

Knew nothing about the arrival of an Australian luxury yacht just after Madeleine vanished until told by British journalists, who gave them the captain’s mobile phone number.

Failed to interview anyone at a nearby dockside bar where, according to Mr Edgar, the mystery woman was later seen drinking.

Failed to ask British diplomats in Spain for advice before or during the visit.

Also, Spanish police could not confirm that they had been contacted by the British investigators.

Last night Mr Edgar said: ‘We are not above criticism and I take responsibility for any shortcomings. If somebody has not done what they should have done, that’s my job to deal with that.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206842/Why-did-Madeleine-McCann-detectives-ask-questions.html#ixzz4cVPfhZSd
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Then he was in the company with Cowley, ‘Alpha Investigations group’, which was really run by Brian Kennedy.

Sigh.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2017, 08:23:11 AM by stephen25000 »

Offline John

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2458 on: March 27, 2017, 12:46:21 PM »
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline jassi

Re: General discussion about the latest news (not search related)
« Reply #2459 on: March 27, 2017, 01:13:53 PM »
Australians have a different story in their papers

Comes complete with useful links to other facets of the McCann story

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/03/27/14/56/madeleine-mccann-aborted-reconstruction-crime-scene-did-damage-to-kate-gerry#aTZXfzSxwJh9Bm84.99pers.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future