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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2017, 08:33:23 PM »
wasn't it said that over 900 kids have been found using age progression techniques.  (And that is an old statistic by now.)
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2018, 07:02:28 PM »
In original photographs of a subject, I find it quite extraordinary the differences which can be made in appearance just by lighting, hairstyle and makeup.

Therefore trying to age progress a subject must be an incredibly difficult thing to do. But although not an exact science it does appear to have paid dividends on occasion.

Eric Austin
In 1981, Aric Austin was abducted by his father when he was just shy of 2 months old. An age progression photo actually led to him being found 22 years later. It was when a U.S. Department of Education investigator working on a case involving fraudulent birth certificates recognized Austin’s driver’s license photo from an age-progression image. Another great example of an accurate age progression photo being generated from a baby picture.
https://mysteryu.com/age-progression-photos/

I'm not so interested in past age progressed images of Madeleine.
I'm more interested in the fact there are no recent ones ... particularly in the tenth year since she disappeared.

I think there must be a reason for that ... and I hope it is a positive one.
When I compare these two images I think they are similar.

Does anyone know the "Sims Game"?  Could those images just be a result of that game?

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2018, 07:07:01 PM »
Imagine if the 14 year old age progressed had hair coloured like the 3 year old Madeleine instead of what looks going grey.  And had her hair down to her shoulders rather than up in a pony tail.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2018, 07:29:24 PM »
the 13 year old Madeleine http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/961000/Madeleine-McCann-as-a-teenager-914961.jpg 

It was pointed out on another forum that this image was not sanction by Kate and Gerry so I'm keen to know if anyone else has knowledge about it.  I had used the image but I have never looked into its origin.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/607816/how-old-is-Madeleine-McCann-now-missing-look-like-teenager-13-years-old-update-2017  mentions who drew it.
"Portrait artist Dr D’Lynn Waldron – who has created age-progressed images for the FBI – suggests we should now be looking for girl who looks like this."

and why she put her hair up rather than down: "Dr Waldron says the two key features that would help identify a girl as Maddie are the distinctive dark strip on the iris of her right eye – which will never change – and her ears – which won’t change until she is in her 60s.

She told Daily Star Online: “The two identifiers are the anomaly in the right eye and the shape of her ears – two things that will not change.”

The expert, who is based in California, pictured Maddie with her hair up so her ears are visible, and also paid particular attention to her nose, chin and teeth."

Other details discussed were: "he said: “In the McCanns’ search, not one of the images they used shows her ears.

“The ears are how I can immediately eliminate a match with anyone under 60 and ears are an excellent thing to look for since they do not change until over 60, or older.

“I found a picture of her as a baby that shows her ears and I used that as reference for my artwork, in which her hair is pulled loosely back in a pony tail.
"“It is almost certain she will have her mother's teeth, so that was my reference. She has her mother's chin.

“Her nose is not like either of her parents, but easy to see what it will be.”

Nothing in there about Kate or Gerry's reaction to it.



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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2018, 10:12:56 PM »
Sorry about The Sun but some love to use it as a cite, so if you can't beat 'em joing 'em  ?{)(** :

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/5338593/incredible-doppelganger-encounters-look-twice/
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2018, 12:50:03 AM »
Sorry about The Sun but some love to use it as a cite, so if you can't beat 'em joing 'em  ?{)(** :

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/5338593/incredible-doppelganger-encounters-look-twice/
A doppelganger with the same first name as well!  That is even more incredible.  And to make it worse the Surname of the man that Karen Sisson saw at the Cabopino Camping was "Mayer".  So it ends up they are the same age, they have the same first name (except for one "e" Madeleine as opposed to Madeline) , both with surnames involved in the investigation (McCann and Mayer), and both with very similar facial features. 
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Offline sadie

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2018, 02:44:39 AM »
It was pointed out on another forum that this image was not sanction by Kate and Gerry so I'm keen to know if anyone else has knowledge about it.  I had used the image but I have never looked into its origin.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/607816/how-old-is-Madeleine-McCann-now-missing-look-like-teenager-13-years-old-update-2017  mentions who drew it.
"Portrait artist Dr D’Lynn Waldron – who has created age-progressed images for the FBI – suggests we should now be looking for girl who looks like this."

and why she put her hair up rather than down: "Dr Waldron says the two key features that would help identify a girl as Maddie are the distinctive dark strip on the iris of her right eye – which will never change – and her ears – which won’t change until she is in her 60s.

She told Daily Star Online: “The two identifiers are the anomaly in the right eye and the shape of her ears – two things that will not change.”

The expert, who is based in California, pictured Maddie with her hair up so her ears are visible, and also paid particular attention to her nose, chin and teeth."

Other details discussed were: "he said: “In the McCanns’ search, not one of the images they used shows her ears.

“The ears are how I can immediately eliminate a match with anyone under 60 and ears are an excellent thing to look for since they do not change until over 60, or older.

“I found a picture of her as a baby that shows her ears and I used that as reference for my artwork, in which her hair is pulled loosely back in a pony tail.
"“It is almost certain she will have her mother's teeth, so that was my reference. She has her mother's chin.

“Her nose is not like either of her parents, but easy to see what it will be.”

Nothing in there about Kate or Gerry's reaction to it.

https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/1/photos/84000/620x/Madeleine-McCann-aged-three-and-how-she-might-look-aged-13-607816.jpg




An excellent age progression IMO.  There are only a couple of minor details that I strongly disagree with.   

Madeleines eyebrows are arched NOT near horizontal flats
Madeleines neck would be slimmer than portrayed

I see the hair is a none colour (greyish)
.... and the eyes have changed colour to blu-ish, with little if any sign of the mark. 

Both very sensible moves because her hair could be dyed and she could have been persuaded to wear coloured medical lenses to hide the black mark.  A person can actually have these artificial lenses medically attached these days.

http://youtu.be/3n3wyoU8wxg

Offline sadie

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2018, 03:03:30 AM »
Sorry about The Sun but some love to use it as a cite, so if you can't beat 'em joing 'em  ?{)(** :

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/5338593/incredible-doppelganger-encounters-look-twice/

Long have there been twins and closely resembling siblings.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2018, 06:03:57 AM »
Long have there been twins and closely resembling siblings.
There is a wee way to go yet Sadie. 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2018, 07:47:16 AM »
When I compare these two images I think they are similar.

Does anyone know the "Sims Game"?  Could those images just be a result of that game?
I think the image beside Madeleine here was 13 years old but in 2012 whereas  Madeleine McCann was 13, coming up to 14, year s old in May 2017

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Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2018, 11:03:31 AM »
With respect Robitty I'm not too sure if that is to what the member referred and I am sure she will clarify her post when next she is on line.  Particularly as it appears to be giving other members such difficulty in understanding. As far as I am aware the McCann family have not passed an opinion on that one. 

In my opinion the misunderstanding arises from the sentence ... "The fact that this new age progression is very good and they might find Madeleine." and I have no idea why that should be the case as it appears perfectly self explanatory to me and obviously to you.

The member in my opinion was obviously referring to advances in the technique used and not to either a 'new' portrayal of Madeleine or evidence of anything; other than its usefulness as a tool to help in the identification of someone whose family only have toddler photographs and family resemblance to go on.
We all age ... and change with age ... so in my opinion a tool which can assist in helping to identify a person missing since a baby is a useful thing to have.

Constantly updated and changing techniques is a bit long winded in the simple sentence ... "The fact that this new constantly updated and changing technique used in age progression is very good and they might find Madeleine."
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2018, 11:14:05 AM »
With respect Robitty I'm not too sure if that is to what the member referred and I am sure she will clarify her post when next she is on line.  Particularly as it appears to be giving other members such difficulty in understanding. As far as I am aware the McCann family have not passed an opinion on that one. 

In my opinion the misunderstanding arises from the sentence ... "The fact that this new age progression is very good and they might find Madeleine." and I have no idea why that should be the case as it appears perfectly self explanatory to me and obviously to you.

The member in my opinion was obviously referring to advances in the technique used and not to either a 'new' portrayal of Madeleine or evidence of anything; other than its usefulness as a tool to help in the identification of someone whose family only have toddler photographs and family resemblance to go on.
We all age ... and change with age ... so in my opinion a tool which can assist in helping to identify a person missing since a baby is a useful thing to have.

Constantly updated and changing techniques is a bit long winded in the simple sentence ... "The fact that this new constantly updated and changing technique used in age progression is very good and they might find Madeleine."

All the pictures in the article have been kicking about for years so they are not ‘new’. Simple really.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2018, 11:23:40 AM »
All the pictures in the article have been kicking about for years so they are not ‘new’. Simple really.

Your question to the member was quite specific to the member's post in that you asked "What new age progression drawing ?"

In my opinion you appeared to read that as there being a new age progression drawing.  Which quite simply was not the case and was not what the member's post indicated.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2018, 05:27:42 PM »
It is the most recent that I've seen produced.  No longer needing to refer to the image at age 6 or 9 or whatever historic dates are well gone.  I could imagine there would be a range of possible age progressed images potentially for they have an element of artistic licence to them.
Now age progression photos can be made of a person irrespective of whether they reach that age or not.  It is not proof they were/are alive depending on the age in the image.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Madeleine McCann age progression images.
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2018, 05:36:29 PM »
It is the most recent that I've seen produced.  No longer needing to refer to the image at age 6 or 9 or whatever historic dates are well gone.  I could imagine there would be a range of possible age progressed images potentially for they have an element of artistic licence to them.
Now age progression photos can be made of a person irrespective of whether they reach that age or not.  It is not proof they were/are alive depending on the age in the image.

I don't know what would be considered a 'normal' gap between official updates.  I think there may be a very good and a very positive reason why there have been no recent ones for Madeleine, especially at the ten year mark.
Initially I thought that might have been because of a risk of identifying her wee sister who probably looks very much as she would now ... but I have changed my outlook on that.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....