Madeleine McCann age progression images.

[Robittybob1]

I don't know what would be considered a 'normal' gap between official updates.  I think there may be a very good and a very positive reason why there have been no recent ones for Madeleine, especially at the ten year mark.
Initially I thought that might have been because of a risk of identifying her wee sister who probably looks very much as she would now ... but I have changed my outlook on that.

If she is alive any method of publicly identifying what Madeleine looks like today has both pro and con aspects.
In the other case I worked on, the parents of the missing girl were told "not to publicise her photo" but the parents being dominant members of society knew better and went against the police's advice.  Here too we have references that the PJ said "No publicity" or more accurately "no press".  Why did they say that?  It was as explained in the NZ case "not to put excessive pressure on the abductor", so the abductor doesn't just go and kill her for fear of being too easily identified.
In the NZ case my investigation suggested pressure on the abductor lead to a girls murder (but that was not the official version).   In the McCann case we don't know what has happened.  IMO if she has been allowed to live up to the age of 14, just ease off with the age progression images as there is a chance Madeleine herself will make contact, as long as the abductor can relax.  The McCanns have said something along these lines too.

[faithlilly]

Your question to the member was quite specific to the member's post in that you asked "What new age progression drawing ?"

In my opinion you appeared to read that as there being a new age progression drawing.  Which quite simply was not the case and was not what the member's post indicated.

That is exactly what the member’s post indicated. This is what Sadie posted ‘The fact that this new age progression is very good and they might find Madeleine.’

[Brietta]

If she is alive any method of publicly identifying what Madeleine looks like today has both pro and con aspects.
In the other case I worked on, the parents of the missing girl were told "not to publicise her photo" but the parents being dominant members of society knew better and went against the police's advice.  Here too we have references that the PJ said "No publicity" or more accurately "no press".  Why did they say that?  It was as explained in the NZ case "not to put excessive pressure on the abductor", so the abductor doesn't just go and kill her for fear of being too easily identified.
In the NZ case my investigation suggested pressure on the abductor lead to a girls murder (but that was not the official version).   In the McCann case we don't know what has happened.  IMO if she has been allowed to live up to the age of 14, just ease off with the age progression images as there is a chance Madeleine herself will make contact, as long as the abductor can relax.  The McCanns have said something along these lines too.

I'm not talking then ... I'm talking now.

It is a recognised procedure when a child goes missing to publicise the disappearance; that is usually a matter controlled by the police; in Madeleine's case that task fell to her parents.
As it was, important witnesses like the Smiths missed the significance of the publicity.

[Brietta]

That is exactly what the member’s post indicated. This is what Sadie posted ‘The fact that this new age progression is very good and they might find Madeleine.’

Indeed, and that is what I have been at pains to point out to a member who, in my opinion, misread and misrepresented what she stated in that post.

[Robittybob1]

Go to this link https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=madeline+mayer  where it says Madeline is 13 years old will that line change over the year or not or was she just 13 when the channel was started?
[I have been told by a friend that bio will not change, so it could have been 13 at the time the channel was started and all the videos on it were loaded in 2012, so my best guess is that was saying Madeleine was 13 in 2012 rather than 13 in 2017 as would be Madeleine McCann.]

[slartibartfast]

The point at issue here is not in my opinion what the member actually posted, but your interpretation of it.

You said, "You really believe that a drawing is some sort of evidence that she may be alive??" and quite categorically, that is not what the member either posted or intended, although she is perfectly capable of telling the forum exactly what she did intend for herself.

In the interim ... probably best not to put words into posts, as you did, which were never there initially.  In my opinion that leads only to confusion.  Which is not good.

You mean as opposed to your interpretation?

[sadie]

In original photographs of a subject, I find it quite extraordinary the differences which can be made in appearance just by lighting, hairstyle and makeup.

Therefore trying to age progress a subject must be an incredibly difficult thing to do. But although not an exact science it does appear to have paid dividends on occasion.

Eric Austin

In 1981, Aric Austin was abducted by his father when he was just shy of 2 months old. An age progression photo actually led to him being found 22 years later. It was when a U.S. Department of Education investigator working on a case involving fraudulent birth certificates recognized Austin’s driver’s license photo from an age-progression image. Another great example of an accurate age progression photo being generated from a baby picture.
https://mysteryu.com/age-progression-photos/

I'm not so interested in past age progressed images of Madeleine.
I'm more interested in the fact there are no recent ones ... particularly in the tenth year since she disappeared.

I think there must be a reason for that ... and I hope it is a positive one.

I think those age progressions are very good Brietta.  Well found.

And based upon the images that I saw in 2012 of a little girl, I believe to have been Madeleine, I think her age progression picture of 2017 is equally good even better.


Well done to the age progression artist along with modern techniques.

[Robittybob1]

I think those age progressions are very good Brietta.  Well found.

And based upon the images that I saw in 2012 of a little girl, I believe to have been Madeleine, I think her age progression picture of 2017 is equally good even better.


Well done to the age progression artist along with modern techniques.

It is an extremely interesting topic, I saw a documentary about these researchers where they can do DNA analysis and tell what the person might look like.  I doubt if that will be more accurate than the classic age progression technique of comparing the parent's photos at a similar age.  In fact in this day and age of digital photography if could be possible to keep a bank of photos of kids yearly and adults every 10 years, so if someone goes missing there is a recent photo or if child went missing it could be possible to do an age progression image for it at any age.  I wonder what that would cost to maintain.
Making everyone to comply might be a tad more difficult.

There might be a way of digitally merging the two photos resulting in the age progressed photo of the missing child.

[John]

It is an extremely interesting topic, I saw a documentary about these researchers where they can do DNA analysis and tell what the person might look like.  I doubt if that will be more accurate than the classic age progression technique of comparing the parent's photos at a similar age.  In fact in this day and age of digit photography if could be possible to keep a bank of photos of kids yearly and adults every 10 years, so if someone goes missing there is a recent photo or if child went missing it could be possible to do an age progression image for it at any age.  I wonder what that would cost to maintain.
Making everyone to comply might be a tad more difficult.

There might be a way of digitally merging the two photos resulting in the age progressed photo of the missing child.

It is not an exact science as a persons appearance can change in many ways as they grow up.

[sadie]

It is not an exact science as a persons appearance can change in many ways as they grow up.

Yes, of course it will, but certain changes happen as the person ages, in differing degrees to everyone.

An expert would know about likely changes at certain ages and allow for these changes

[John]

Yes, of course it will, but certain changes happen as the person ages, in differing degrees to everyone.

An expert would know about likely changes at certain ages and allow for these changes

People age in all sorts of different ways, not even someone practised in the skill gets it right very often and the more years that pass the greater the error.

[sadie]

People age in all sorts of different ways, not even someone practised in the skill gets it right very often and the more years that pass the greater the error.

Well the person that did this age progression hit the nail on the head, didn't she?


https://mysteryu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/aric.jpg

I dont see any reason why age should enter into it, once the changes from babyhood/infancy into adulthood have taken place .... unless there has been some dreadful illness /accident altering the face

OMO.  I am not an expert, but I do have an unusually keen eye.

[Brietta]

Well the person that did this age progression hit the nail on the head, didn't she?


https://mysteryu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/aric.jpg

I dont see any reason why age should enter into it, once the changes from babyhood/infancy into adulthood have taken place .... unless there has been some dreadful illness /accident altering the face

OMO.  I am not an expert, but I do have an unusually keen eye.

It's not an exact science but it can sometimes be reasonably accurate when compared with the person in life when they are discovered.
Apparently the parents of the missing sometimes take great comfort from an age progressed image of their lost one; something I find very poignant as it is all they have of them.

In Madeleine's case they used predominately photographs of Kate and Gerry and also of their close relatives for family characteristics while taking into consideration the ageing process in bone development.
So although not an exact science if there is enough information available, the results have sometimes proved quite startling on those occasions they can be confirmed ... and at least it is a starting point which is better than nothing in my opinion.

Apparently a photograph of Cristiano Ronaldo's maternal grandmother has gone viral because people say he is the image of her (I don't see it myself) but it confirms family resemblance can be an influential factor.

[Eleanor]

I have never been keen on Age Progression Images.  The American versions are too glossy and perfect, and The Brit ones are a bit too down graded and common.

But the ears are worth looking at if you have a suspicion.

[Robittybob1]

I have never been keen on Age Progression Images.  The American versions are too glossy and perfect, and The Brit ones are a bit too down graded and common.

But the ears are worth looking at if you have a suspicion.

Can you see Mona Lisa's ears?