Operation Grange methodology.

[barrier]

Thank you, I have read the 'remit' which in my opinion was as a result of the findings of the scoping exercise ... which determined whether or not a review was justified.
In my opinion part of the scoping exercise must have involved  looking at the theories and possibilities ... why ask or expect as I intimated in my previous post that each step of a recent investigation is repeated and repeated and repeated.

At some stage decisions have to be taken and directions taken from what has been learned from the previous step and built upon.  It is all a progression ... not a fly in aspic.

But what are we to read into what Rowley said about the non investigation of the parents by OG,step by step but mind the very first step.

[John]

Would you like to tell us exactly what the SC said......I dont remember them using the word convinced. As I understand they said the McCanns had not proved their innocence...well...they dont have to and its just about impossible to do so, something the ECHR may look at. Despite what you say ...the portuguese investigation do not consider the McCanns suspects so they dont seem to share the view of the SC.

Your claim that SY have been prevented from investigating the mccanns is opinion not fact and imo ...risible

Didn't a former commander claim publicly not so long ago that Met investigators were not given a free hand as to who could be investigated thus why he declined to head Op Grange?  Frankly that doesn't surprise me in the least if it is accurate.

[Mr Gray]

Didn't a former commander claim publicly not so long ago that Met investigators were not given a free hand as to who could be investigated thus why he declined to head Op Grange?  Frankly that doesn't surprise me in the least if it is accurate.

first he didnt decline...he was never offered the job ....secondly I believe the instruction was rather  vague...second hand and cannot be verified.... On what basis was this claim made ...solid facts or just a rumour...we dont know. It seems that when it comes to criticising the mccanns any piece of second hand claim will do...in their defense...basically nothing is accepted

[Brietta]

But what are we to read into what Rowley said about the non investigation of the parents by OG,step by step but mind the very first step.

Scoping exercise?  Surely a bit remiss if the role of Madeleine's parents didn't come into consideration somewhere there and in the intervening period in the five years before Operation Grange came into play including no doubt the statement from the thirteen hour questioning session Kate endured before being constituted arguida - which no-one else but the Rebelo investigation had seen? 
 

In answer to the interviewer's question: "Did you formally interview the McCann’s under caution, or ever consider them as suspects?"

The AC Mark Rowley replied:
"So when we started, we started five or so years into this and there is already a lot of ground been covered, we don’t cover the same ground, what we do is pull all the material we had at the start, all the Portuguese material, private detective material, with all the work that had been done, what that evidence supports, what rules these lines of enquiry out, what keeps them open and you progress forward.

It would be no different if there were a cold case in London, a missing person from 1990, we would go back to square one look at all the material and if the material was convincing it ruled out that line of enquiry we would look somewhere else.

So you reflect on the original material, you challenge it, don’t take it at face value. You don’t restart an investigation pretending it doesn’t exist and do all the same enquiries again that is not constructive."
Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley

It seems that once the wheel has been invented it is considered less than productive to start drawing up blueprints to invent it again ... I certainly think so.

[Alice Purjorick]

Thank you, I have read the 'remit' which in my opinion was as a result of the findings of the scoping exercise ... which determined whether or not a review was justified.
In my opinion part of the scoping exercise must have involved  looking at the theories and possibilities ... why ask or expect as I intimated in my previous post that each step of a recent investigation is repeated and repeated and repeated.

At some stage decisions have to be taken and directions taken from what has been learned from the previous step and built upon.  It is all a progression ... not a fly in aspic.

You reckon someone did a proper scoping exercise? 
Someone perhaps used the expression because it sounds impressive to the uninitiated but I doubt the genuine article was ever produced.  imnsho of course

[Mr Gray]

You reckon someone did a proper scoping exercise? 
Someone perhaps used the expression because it sounds impressive to the uninitiated but I doubt the genuine article was ever produced.  imnsho of course

Just because SY say they did a scoping exercise doesnt make it true...but if Mrs Fenn says she heard a child crying for 90 mins then its fact.

[stephen25000]

Just because SY say they did a scoping exercise doesnt make it true...but if Mrs Fenn says she heard a child crying for 90 mins then its fact.

That davel applies to abduction.

Merely because you believe one happened, doesn't make it true.

[G-Unit]

When the review by Operation Grange began in May 2011 the strategy was examine, in this order;

1. The Portuguese evidence.
2. The Leicestershire Police evidence.
3. The Private Investigator's evidence.

Three months after they began, the Daily Star asked what their remit was under an F.O.I. request. The Met refused. Following an appeal it was finally handed over after six months.
  http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/56dec11/STAR_18_12_2011.htm

The question is, when was it written? Clearly before the review was finished.


.......only now have ­detectives put in writing that her case is one of ­abduction.

The Met at first refused to release paperwork under the Freedom of ­Information Act on the grounds it would “adversely harm the ­investigation”.

But, after an appeal, ­police finally handed over details to the Daily Star Sunday last week after a wait of nearly three months.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/56dec11/STAR_18_12_2011.htm

[Mr Gray]

When the review by Operation Grange began in May 2011 the strategy was examine, in this order;

1. The Portuguese evidence.
2. The Leicestershire Police evidence.
3. The Private Investigator's evidence.

Three months after they began, the Daily Star asked what their remit was under an F.O.I. request. The Met refused. Following an appeal it was finally handed over after six months.
  http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/56dec11/STAR_18_12_2011.htm

The question is, when was it written? Clearly before the review was finished.


.......only now have ­detectives put in writing that her case is one of ­abduction.

The Met at first refused to release paperwork under the Freedom of ­Information Act on the grounds it would “adversely harm the ­investigation”.

But, after an appeal, ­police finally handed over details to the Daily Star Sunday last week after a wait of nearly three months.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/56dec11/STAR_18_12_2011.htm

When was the review written....an interesting question. I remember this being discussed before......

[Alice Purjorick]

The Supreme Court is the highest judicial authority in Portugal and they aren't convinced so that is good enough for me.  As far as they are concerned the McCanns have not established their non culpability in matters arising from Maddie's disappearance.  Hopefully the PJ will get their act together and finish investigating everything that went on post disappearance, something that SY have been prevented from doing.

Did Leicestershire Police not express a similar point of view? or has that point of view been subsequently rescinded by Leicestershire Police?

[Mr Gray]

Did Leicestershire Police not express a similar point of view? or has that point of view been subsequently rescinded by Leicestershire Police?

It's all about context Alice...I believe the McCann's were arguidos at the time

[Alice Purjorick]

It's all about context Alice

Oh right and what context would that be ?
Please do explain.

[Mr Gray]

Oh right and what context would that be ?
Please do explain.

The McCann's were arguidos at the time

[sadie]

Anna, a wonderful friend, and I regularly used to communicate by email.  She certainly NEVER thought that the Mccanns were involved in any way.


However, she may have thought that no-one would ever crack the case without a confession.   And thta might turn out to be true if enough evidence cannot be collected to convict.

[Mr Gray]

Anna, a wonderful friend, and I regularly used to communicate by email.  She certainly NEVER thought that the Mccanns were involved in any way.


However, she may have thought that no-one would ever crack the case without a confession.   And thta might turn out to be true if enough evidence cannot be collected to convict.

There may be several ways in which the case could be solved...it isn't just limited to a confession