'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'

[G-Unit]

The sentence "In my opinion children can cry a little and nod back off in the space of 30 minutes, but if they were woken because there was an intruder in the bedroom going back to sleep really would be improbable, unlikely and implausible."  is your own opinion and understanding is it not?

Correct me if I'm wrong but you didn't produce that quote from Madeleine AFAIK.

Now that is what I believe is at odds with what Kate is saying.  OK she does end up using the 3 words (improbable, unlikely and implausible) but in a completely different context.  She is talking about the kids being on their own but you have said "if they were woken because there was an intruder in the bedroom" so they are not alone in your scenario. Different contexts IMO.

Kate McCann tells us she believes an abductor either entered the children's bedroom or tried to on Wednesday evening.

She believes it happened because her daughter told her two children cried on Wednesday when the parents were out.

When her daughter first told her about it she didn't really believe her though. She didn't believe that her children would go back to sleep without being soothed.

So why did she go from finding it highly unlikely to believing it happened? What changed? Nothing changed is the answer. If it was unlikely before it's still unlikely for the very same reasons.

it didn’t seem very probable. As I’ve said, not only did they rarely stir at all at night, but if they did it was hardly ever, and I mean ever, before the early hours. If they had done so on this occasion, it would mean they’d woken up, cried for a while, calmed themselves down and fallen asleep again – all within the space of half an hour. Or
forty-five minutes, if it had been after our last check. Children usually need some soothing back to sleep once they’ve woken, especially if two of them are awake and upset at the same time, and it seemed highly unlikely they’d have gone through all these stages without one of them overlapping with one of our checks. It wasn’t impossible, but it seemed implausible. [madeleine]

As I said, in my opinion children can nod off again after crying a little bit, but not if they woke up to find an intruder standing over them! That is definitely highly unlikely.

it is my belief there was somebody either in or trying to get into the children’s bedroom that night, and that is what disturbed them. [madeleine]

[Robittybob1]

Kate McCann tells us she believes an abductor either entered the children's bedroom or tried to on Wednesday evening.

She believes it happened because her daughter told her two children cried on Wednesday when the parents were out.

When her daughter first told her about it she didn't really believe her though. She didn't believe that her children would go back to sleep without being soothed.

So why did she go from finding it highly unlikely to believing it happened? What changed? Nothing changed is the answer. If it was unlikely before it's still unlikely for the very same reasons.

it didn’t seem very probable. As I’ve said, not only did they rarely stir at all at night, but if they did it was hardly ever, and I mean ever, before the early hours. If they had done so on this occasion, it would mean they’d woken up, cried for a while, calmed themselves down and fallen asleep again – all within the space of half an hour. Or
forty-five minutes, if it had been after our last check. Children usually need some soothing back to sleep once they’ve woken, especially if two of them are awake and upset at the same time, and it seemed highly unlikely they’d have gone through all these stages without one of them overlapping with one of our checks. It wasn’t impossible, but it seemed implausible. [madeleine]

As I said, in my opinion children can nod off again after crying a little bit, but not if they woke up to find an intruder standing over them! That is definitely highly unlikely.

it is my belief there was somebody either in or trying to get into the children’s bedroom that night, and that is what disturbed them. [madeleine]

Have you considered a caring couple passing by heard the kids crying and went in through the patio doors and put the kids back to bed (comforted them).  That was what was reported wasn't it?    A couple went into the apartment that night to comfort the kids.  Do you recall that report?  The strange thing was that someone saw that but we never get to know who.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared 
Surely what Kate thinks and that report are linked.

[Benice]

Have you considered a caring couple passing by heard the kids crying and went in through the patio doors and put the kids back to bed (comforted them).  That was what was reported wasn't it?    A couple went into the apartment that night to comfort the kids.  Do you recall that report?  The strange thing was that someone saw that but we never get to know who.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared 
Surely what Kate thinks and that report are linked.

The night before Madeleine disappeared, Rachel was in the next door apartment all evening.  If a couple could hear the kids crying from as far away as down in the street which ran up the side of the apartment block, then surely she would have heard them from right next door?

Re the article:  Mrs Fenn didn't hear anyone crying on the 2nd May.  It was on 1st May - and then she only heard ONE child crying.

IMO this couple don't exist. 

 

[G-Unit]

Have you considered a caring couple passing by heard the kids crying and went in through the patio doors and put the kids back to bed (comforted them).  That was what was reported wasn't it?    A couple went into the apartment that night to comfort the kids.  Do you recall that report?  The strange thing was that someone saw that but we never get to know who.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared 
Surely what Kate thinks and that report are linked.

You may be prepared to believe such rubbish, but not me. The idea that two witnesses saw a couple going into 5A but told no-one until tracked down by SY years later is most unlikely. So is the idea that SY then leaked this information.

[Wonderfulspam]

I believe this couple abducted Maddie.
They witnessed her being dumped in the creche & then left to fend for herself every night & decided they could do a better job of looking after her.

[Robittybob1]

You may be prepared to believe such rubbish, but not me. The idea that two witnesses saw a couple going into 5A but told no-one until tracked down by SY years later is most unlikely. So is the idea that SY then leaked this information.

You would have no idea what information the PJ are sitting on.  Didn't it say the reporter went into the apartment of the people who saw the middle aged couple going into the apartment on Wednesday night.  There is nothing about that, that is impossible IMO.

[Eleanor]

I believe this couple abducted Maddie.
They witnessed her being dumped in the creche & then left to fend for herself every night & decided they could do a better job of looking after her.

This is a possibility.

[jassi]

I believe this couple abducted Maddie.
They witnessed her being dumped in the creche & then left to fend for herself every night & decided they could do a better job of looking after her.

But why only her?  Were the twins not exactly in the same position and in need of rescue?

[G-Unit]

You would have no idea what information the PJ are sitting on.  Didn't it say the reporter went into the apartment of the people who saw the middle aged couple going into the apartment on Wednesday night.  There is nothing about that, that is impossible IMO.

We know the categories of information which the PJ didn't release. If the information is in the Crimestoppers file, then LP should have highlighted it and interviewed the witnesses.

You are asking me (bolded bit) what the article said? If it said what you are suggesting, give a cite, don't ask me.

I take it you do believe SY leaked.

[Robittybob1]

We know the categories of information which the PJ didn't release. If the information is in the Crimestoppers file, then LP should have highlighted it and interviewed the witnesses.

You are asking me (bolded bit) what the article said? If it said what you are suggesting, give a cite, don't ask me.

I take it you do believe SY leaked.

I thought it would be pointless citing from the article for you have already called it rubbish
"The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.

The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered." 

This was on Wednesday and she was missing on Thursday.  There maybe no connection or is there?  But Kate would not have known about this but put two and two together and come up with the idea of someone comforting her kids off to sleep, from what Madeleine had said the next morning.

[Robittybob1]

The night before Madeleine disappeared, Rachel was in the next door apartment all evening.  If a couple could hear the kids crying from as far away as down in the street which ran up the side of the apartment block, then surely she would have heard them from right next door?

Re the article:  Mrs Fenn didn't hear anyone crying on the 2nd May.  It was on 1st May - and then she only heard ONE child crying.

IMO this couple don't exist.

They might have messed up on the day Pamela Fenn heard the crying.  Rachael was sick on the Wednesday so could have dosed off at the crucial time.  There are several possibilities of which we can't be certain.

[pathfinder73]

You may be prepared to believe such rubbish, but not me. The idea that two witnesses saw a couple going into 5A but told no-one until tracked down by SY years later is most unlikely. So is the idea that SY then leaked this information.

From reading the article they are referring to the Moyes. The Express say Pamela Fenn heard crying on 2 May so they still make glaring errors.

The woman said in her statement: “I stood on the balcony at about 9.15 with a whisky.

“I saw people eating at the tapas bar and children in the play area. We went to bed at 10pm-ish. We were woken up by our bell ringing at 11.30pm. It was a friend of the McCanns, saying that a little girl had been abducted. The friend asked if we had a computer so they could get the media involved in the search.

“Two police were on the corner of our block, one lady said that off-duty police had come and were searching. We did see single men on mobiles while we were out who could have been police.”

The couple took part in the search for Madeleine and then returned to their apartment.

The woman’s statement continues: “We walked back up towards our apartment, a group had gathered on the corner. The McCanns were in bits, he was crying on the shoulder of a friend. She was screaming: ‘The f*****g b......s have taken her’. Finally, at around 4am, we said: ‘Is it OK if we go to bed?’ We directed this comment towards a man in a white shirt and jeans, who seemed to be authoritative.”

At the couple’s home here, two Yard officers questioned them separately for three hours and got them to sign lengthy statements. They further interviewed them this year to double check their information.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared

WED 2 May was the night Gerry said David Payne had checked on the children.

On Wednesday night, 2 May 2007, as well as he and his wife, he thinks that David Payne also went to his apartment to confirm that his children were well, not having reported to him any abnormal situation with the children.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[G-Unit]

I thought it would be pointless citing from the article for you have already called it rubbish
"The Sunday Express has visited the couple’s holiday apartment, which looks over the tapas bar. From its balcony you can see directly into the garden of apartment 5a.

The woman said: “We have one of the best views of the whole block. We are sure of the timings. If we had seen anyone we would have remembered." 

This was on Wednesday and she was missing on Thursday.  There maybe no connection or is there?  But Kate would not have known about this but put two and two together and come up with the idea of someone comforting her kids off to sleep, from what Madeleine had said the next morning.

The apartment they are referring to belongs to the Moyes, above Mrs Fenn's apartment. The aren't the couple who allegedly went into 5A, nor are they the witnesses who said they saw the couple going into 5A. They were never interviewed during the first investigation, but have been keen to talk about it since;
https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/radio-stoke-speak-to-susan-moyes/

[faithlilly]

The apartment they are referring to belongs to the Moyes, above Mrs Fenn's apartment. The aren't the couple who allegedly went into 5A, nor are they the witnesses who said they saw the couple going into 5A. They were never interviewed during the first investigation, but have been keen to talk about it since;
https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2011/10/24/radio-stoke-speak-to-susan-moyes/

I wonder who the 'she' was who came to Mrs Moyes door ?

[Carana]

I wonder who the 'she' was who came to Mrs Moyes door ?

No idea. Unlikely to have been Kate or Fiona, which would leave Rachel or Jane.

Unless it was one of the men in the group with a female OC employee.