'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'

[faithlilly]

No idea. Unlikely to have been Kate or Fiona, which would leave Rachel or Jane.

Unless it was one of the men in the group with a female OC employee.

Would she then have said a couple came to my door ? Do Jane or Rachel say in any of their statements that they informed others of Madeleine's disappearance by going door to door ?

[Carana]

Would she then have said a couple came to my door ? Do Jane or Rachel say in any of their statements that they informed others of Madeleine's disappearance by going door to door ?

No idea. It seems feasible that various members of the group plus members of OC staff went knocking.

Jes / Bridget:

They went to bed about 2300hrs but were waken about 0100hrs by a knock at the door. On answering the door they spoke with the resort manager and a person they knew was a member of the group but they only knew him as Matthew. It was then they found out that Madeleine was missing.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

[jassi]

If Matt's doing the round of the neighbours, it's not likely that Rachael would be as well, as that would leave their child alone

[G-Unit]

I wonder who the 'she' was who came to Mrs Moyes door ?

And why she knocked at 11.30 pm?

At some point before the PJ left, a retired British couple in a nearby apartment lent him their computer and he sent an email to Sky News alerting them to the abduction of our daughter, using an address listed on their website. [madeleine]

I think that should say 'at some point before the PJ arrived' shouldn't it? What a difference one word can make.

[Robittybob1]

And why she knocked at 11.30 pm?

At some point before the PJ left, a retired British couple in a nearby apartment lent him their computer and he sent an email to Sky News alerting them to the abduction of our daughter, using an address listed on their website. [madeleine]

I think that should say 'at some point before the PJ arrived' shouldn't it? What a difference one word can make.

It sounds like they are talking about different people.

[G-Unit]

It sounds like they are talking about different people.

No. In one of the articles the Moyes say they were asked for a computer.

[sadie]

Have you considered a caring couple passing by heard the kids crying and went in through the patio doors and put the kids back to bed (comforted them).  That was what was reported wasn't it?    A couple went into the apartment that night to comfort the kids.  Do you recall that report?  The strange thing was that someone saw that but we never get to know who.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/400796/Mystery-couple-seen-going-into-McCanns-flat-on-night-before-sobbing-Madeleine-disappeared 
Surely what Kate thinks and that report are linked.

Soz, Rob, but I think that is unlikely.   Most people have heard children crying and generally they do not interfere.  Neither do most law abiding people go into other peoples homes uninvited.

IMO, the only place that any sound could possibly be heard from would be on the street outside the lounge .... and only then if the window was open.  It is doubtful that anyone would be able to know for sure which flat any sound came from ... The Mccanns, Mrs Fenns, or even the Moyes.

I honestly dont think  anyone would pay attention and certainly not interfere. IMHO

[John]

Soz, Rob, but I think that is unlikely.   Most people have heard children crying and generally they do not interfere.  Neither do most law abiding people go into other peoples homes uninvited.

IMO, the only place that any sound could possibly be heard from would be on the street outside the lounge .... and only then if the window was open.  It is doubtful that anyone would be able to know for sure which flat any sound came from ... The Mccanns, Mrs Fenns, or even the Moyes.

I honestly dont think  anyone would pay attention and certainly not interfere. IMHO

Maybe the couple walked through the car park and clearly identified the crying as coming from the bedroom of 5a.  All they had to do then was walk around the corner and up the steps to the patio to check out what was wrong. The one element which is missing however is a report to staff.

If you found children alone and distraught wouldn't you report it to the management?

[sadie]

Maybe the couple walked through the car park and clearly identified the crying as coming from the bedroom of 5a.  All they had to do then was walk around the corner and up the steps to the patio to check out what was wrong. The one element which is missing however is a report to staff.

If you found children alone and distraught wouldn't you report it to the management?

The only thing is John, the sound had to transmit via a closed window with shutters and (thin) curtain, then cross quite a distance from the route 'car park entrance to the centre of the building where the walled pathway started.  The closest distance on that walk is about 40 feet and that for a muted sound that has come out of a closed brick building seems rather a long way for it to travel IMO.

I find it difficult to believe anyone would just let themselves in.  Report it to the management, yes maybe.  IMO

[Robittybob1]

There is a good chance they did report it to management.  It was reported years ago that Silvia Batista contacted the McCanns on the Thursday and offered them free baby sitting service and even that was turned down.  I don't think there is any direct reports of this interview with Silvia on the internet but last year there were still traces of discussion about the interview.  Do you recall that?  It was a matter of the right combination of her name into Google to get a result.

Here is a direct quote from the article and the paper or news organisation involved with the interview. 
"The Technical Services Director of the Ocean Club resort, Silvia Batista, affirmed that the SAME NIGHT on which Madeleine disappeared, she IN PERSON offered child-minding services "because the hotel is responsible for its clients' children, but THEY REJECTED that" Madeleine was seen for the last time on the 3rd of May when she was sleeping next to her siblings in a rented room in a hotel in Praia da Luz, in the south of Portugal.

The parents of the little girl are being questioned for having left her alone in that room in order to go to eat with some friends.

According to the director of the hotel, "every month registries of robberies in the area are kept, and we therefore advise the service of a child-minder", but EVEN KNOWING THIS, Maddie's parents DID NOT ACCEPT it.

Batista confirmed in an interview with the website Globo.com that the hotel has been working from the start with the Police to find the little girl. The director added that the room used by the McCann family was closed the first two months, then was opened for 15 days, but was then closed once again.

Also, the director of the resort pointed out that in the area there are "many inquisitive people, but they do not disrupt the routine of the place.

"We did not bear the blame for the disappearance of the little girl, it couldn't be said whose fault it was, but certainly not ours", assured the director and indicated that "THE PARENTS OF THE GIRL THAT NIGHT WERE VERY UNCONCERNED", and there was no reason they should not have requested the service of a child-minder."

This whole quote is from https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12869p400-the-possible-dry-run-by-the-alleged-abductor-that-possibly-caused-the-alleged-crying-incident


If I put the phrase "she IN PERSON offered child-minding services "because the hotel is responsible for its clients' children, but THEY REJECTED that""  into Goole I got 11 sites which discussed the exact same phrase.  but none apparently from "globo.com"

On the cached version of the McCann files "Child minding services rejected by McCanns on 03 May 2007 (link)
Infobae.com translation:
 
The search for a new personality in the desperate search of the small British four-year-old is complicating even more the McCanns' situation.
 
The Technical Services Director of the Ocean Club resort, Silvia Batista, affirmed that the same night on which Madeleine disappeared, she in person offered child-minding services "because the hotel is responsible for its clients' children, but they rejected that". Madeleine was seen for the last time on the 3rd of May when she was sleeping next to her siblings in a rented room in a hotel in Praia da Luz, in the south of Portugal. The parents of the little girl are being questioned for having left her alone in that room in order to go to eat with some friends.
 
According to the director of the hotel, "every month registries of robberies in the area are kept, and we therefore advise the service of a child-minder", but even knowing this, Maddie's parents did not accept it. Batista confirmed in an interview with the website Globo.com that the hotel has been working from the start with the Police to find the little girl. The director added that the room used by the McCann family was closed the first two months, then was opened for 15 days, but was then closed once again. Also, the director of the resort pointed out that in the area there are "many inquisitive people, but they do not disrupt the routine of the place.

"We did not bear the blame for the disappearance of the little girl, it couldn't be said whose fault it was, but certainly not ours", assured the director and indicated that "the parents of the girl that night were very unconcerned", and there was no reason they should not have requested the service of a child-minder."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TQiKt6ZMI3YJ:www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id53.htm+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz

[Robittybob1]

The only thing is John, the sound had to transmit via a closed window with shutters and (thin) curtain, then cross quite a distance from the route 'car park entrance to the centre of the building where the walled pathway started.  The closest distance on that walk is about 40 feet and that for a muted sound that has come out of a closed brick building seems rather a long way for it to travel IMO.

I find it difficult to believe anyone would just let themselves in.  Report it to the management, yes maybe.  IMO

This concerned couple could have done their own listening check.

[Innominate]

There was a comment I noticed in J Wilkins statement about the night of the 2nd, that may be relevant:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

On Wednesday, 2nd May, I could see it was raining and the tennis lesson was postponed. It was re-scheduled for 2:30 pm. I found this out at a later date and missed the lesson. I arrived about five (5) minutes before the end and realized this fact. I saw the usual people at the tennis lesson. I then went back to my apartment.

That evening myself and my partner attended the 'Tapas' restaurant which is part of the hotel complex at the swimming pool. We sat down to eat at 7:30 pm. After about forty five (45) minutes Jerry appeared as did one of his friends. I believe it was Russell. They sat at the next table. We naturally engaged in conversation about everyday things. We spoke about childcare. That night my family were using the creche's facility. We found out that the group of families were occupying ground floor flats near the swimming pool and they were leaving the children by themselves in order for them to go to the restaurant in the evenings. They would then go regularly to check the children who would be asleep.

I found out that Jerry was a cardiologist in a Hospital. At this time his wife was putting the children to bed. We received a call from the creche informing that our son was awake. My partner left first and I followed shortly afterwards. The amount of time I spent with Jerry was about fifteen (15) to twenty (20) minutes we remained in the restaurant. By the time we left, Jerry was with about seven other people. I picked up my daughter from the creche and then returned to the apartment.

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[Benice]

There is a good chance they did report it to management. It was reported years ago that Silvia Batista contacted the McCanns on the Thursday and offered them free baby sitting service and even that was turned down.  I don't think there is any direct reports of this interview with Silvia on the internet but last year there were still traces of discussion about the interview.  Do you recall that?  It was a matter of the right combination of her name into Google to get a result.

Snip
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TQiKt6ZMI3YJ:www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id53.htm+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=nz

We have discussed this before Rob.     This is a description by Silvia of what she did on 3rd May.     I think if she had met or spoken to the McCanns on that day - she would have said so in her statement.

Quote

On the 03/05/2007 she started working by 09H30, having entered the Ocean Club through the area of the Club, having walked through the swimming pool area and later having checked the other swimming pools.

At about 13:00 she went to Lagos, with her husband, Mr. Joao Carlos Silva Batista and came back at about 14H30 .

At about18H00 she left the resort and only came back when the circumstances outlined above occurred.

During the day 03/05/2007 she did not detect anything unusual or different.

No strange situation was reported to her.

After the events and in conversation with other employees and heads of the Ocean Club, nothing was reported or commented concerning odd situations, such as the presence of strangers close to the resort.

She states that the Ocean Club Resort has no system of video surveillance.
Ratifies and will sign. ..........................

Unquote

[G-Unit]

There was a comment I noticed in J Wilkins statement about the night of the 2nd, that may be relevant:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

On Wednesday, 2nd May, I could see it was raining and the tennis lesson was postponed. It was re-scheduled for 2:30 pm. I found this out at a later date and missed the lesson. I arrived about five (5) minutes before the end and realized this fact. I saw the usual people at the tennis lesson. I then went back to my apartment.

That evening myself and my partner attended the 'Tapas' restaurant which is part of the hotel complex at the swimming pool. We sat down to eat at 7:30 pm. After about forty five (45) minutes Jerry appeared as did one of his friends. I believe it was Russell. They sat at the next table. We naturally engaged in conversation about everyday things. We spoke about childcare. That night my family were using the creche's facility. We found out that the group of families were occupying ground floor flats near the swimming pool and they were leaving the children by themselves in order for them to go to the restaurant in the evenings. They would then go regularly to check the children who would be asleep.

I found out that Jerry was a cardiologist in a Hospital. At this time his wife was putting the children to bed. We received a call from the creche informing that our son was awake. My partner left first and I followed shortly afterwards. The amount of time I spent with Jerry was about fifteen (15) to twenty (20) minutes we remained in the restaurant. By the time we left, Jerry was with about seven other people. I picked up my daughter from the creche and then returned to the apartment.

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No-one was late for dinner on 2nd, it seems. All present when Jes left at 8.30-35. Kate doesn't mention Gerry leaving for dinner first that evening;

After that it was the usual routine: tea with the children, playtime, bathtime, milk, stories, kids’ bedtime, get ready,Tapas at 8.30pm [madeleine]

[Robittybob1]

Benice
"Quote

On the 03/05/2007 she started working by 09H30, having entered the Ocean Club through the area of the Club, having walked through the swimming pool area and later having checked the other swimming pools.

At about 13:00 she went to Lagos, with her husband, Mr. Joao Carlos Silva Batista and came back at about 14H30 ."

Let's look at what she did then. "On the 03/05/2007 she started working by 09H30, having entered the Ocean Club through the area of the Club, having walked through the swimming pool area and later having checked the other swimming pools."  OK that might take 15 minutes, so that is 09H45  and what does she do between then and 13H00?  There seems to be plenty of unaccounted for time on Thursday IMO to fit in a phone call to the McCanns IMO.

In the article it says "affirmed that the SAME NIGHT on which Madeleine disappeared"  What does "same night"  does that include the afternoon or the evening?