'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'

[Robittybob1]

No-one was late for dinner on 2nd, it seems. All present when Jes left at 8.30-35. Kate doesn't mention Gerry leaving for dinner first that evening;

After that it was the usual routine: tea with the children, playtime, bathtime, milk, stories, kids’ bedtime, get ready,Tapas at 8.30pm [madeleine]

If gerry is with 7 other people that makes 8 - so one is missing (not all present).  Kate said she was at Tapas at 8:30 and that fits in with Jez's timeline of leaving around 8:30.

[jassi]

Maybe the couple walked through the car park and clearly identified the crying as coming from the bedroom of 5a.  All they had to do then was walk around the corner and up the steps to the patio to check out what was wrong. The one element which is missing however is a report to staff.

If you found children alone and distraught wouldn't you report it to the management?

Would this couple have known that the children were alone ?

[Benice]

Benice
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On the 03/05/2007 she started working by 09H30, having entered the Ocean Club through the area of the Club, having walked through the swimming pool area and later having checked the other swimming pools.

At about 13:00 she went to Lagos, with her husband, Mr. Joao Carlos Silva Batista and came back at about 14H30 ."

Let's look at what she did then. "On the 03/05/2007 she started working by 09H30, having entered the Ocean Club through the area of the Club, having walked through the swimming pool area and later having checked the other swimming pools."  OK that might take 15 minutes, so that is 09H45  and what does she do between then and 13H00?  There seems to be plenty of unaccounted for time on Thursday IMO to fit in a phone call to the McCanns IMO.

I find it impossible to believe that if Sylvia had had any contact at all with the McCanns on the 3rd May she could have either (a) forgotten about it or (b) decided not to mention it in her statement.    IMO - After what happened she would have reported any contact which had occurred with them on that particular day (no matter how small)  - as a matter of priority.   It would be unnatural not to do so IMO.
AIMHO

[Robittybob1]

Would this couple have known that the children were alone ?

It is possible that they saw the McCanns at the Tapas restaurant isn't it?

[jassi]

It is possible that they saw the McCanns at the Tapas restaurant isn't it?

It is, but still needn't mean that the children were alone. McCanns could have employed a babysitter, who was desperately trying to calm them down.

[Robittybob1]

It is, but still needn't mean that the children were alone. McCanns could have employed a babysitter, who was desperately trying to calm them down.

Knock on the door and see if there is an answer.

[G-Unit]

If gerry is with 7 other people that makes 8 - so one is missing (not all present).  Kate said she was at Tapas at 8:30 and that fits in with Jez's timeline of leaving around 8:30.

Rachael says she didn't go to dinner on Wednesday evening.

[jassi]

Knock on the door and see if there is an answer.

Hindsight.  If I had been the people involved, my response would have been " I hope those bloody kids shut up soon"

[Robittybob1]

Rachael says she didn't go to dinner on Wednesday evening.

Was it all present except for Rachael then?  OK that is fine by me.

[Innominate]

Was it all present except for Rachael then?  OK that is fine by me.

Unclear. JW does not mention KMcC arriving. KMcC does not mention GMcC leaving first.

[Carana]

Soz, Rob, but I think that is unlikely.   Most people have heard children crying and generally they do not interfere.  Neither do most law abiding people go into other peoples homes uninvited.

IMO, the only place that any sound could possibly be heard from would be on the street outside the lounge .... and only then if the window was open.  It is doubtful that anyone would be able to know for sure which flat any sound came from ... The Mccanns, Mrs Fenns, or even the Moyes.

I honestly dont think  anyone would pay attention and certainly not interfere. IMHO

I'm sure I've posted on this topic on one of the Fenn threads and will add a link if and when I find it again.

From personal experience, the source of sound can be very deceptive in an apartment block. On one occasion, I was woken up by what was clearly a domestic row that was escalating. I was on the verge of calling the police, but then I decided that that would be useless unless I could pinpoint where the source was actually coming from. I got up and went up and down, following my sense of where it appeared to be coming from, and eventually gave up. I later discovered that it came from nearby, but not in any of the places that I'd checked by listening at doors.

[Miss Taken Identity]

I'm sure I've posted on this topic on one of the Fenn threads and will add a link if and when I find it again.

From personal experience, the source of sound can be very deceptive in an apartment block. On one occasion, I was woken up by what was clearly a domestic row that was escalating. I was on the verge of calling the police, but then I decided that that would be useless unless I could pinpoint where the source was actually coming from. I got up and went up and down, following my sense of where it appeared to be coming from, and eventually gave up. I later discovered that it came from nearby, but not in any of the places that I'd checked by listening at doors.

Yes I would agree with that Carana. I too have had that experience thinking a noise was coming from one place when It wasn't.

It doesn't change the fact that Kate says Maddie had brought this to her attention, and the children did wake up through the night on occasion. It wouldn't be wrong for  Mrs Fenn to identify the McCann children bcauase she claimed it stopped when the parents came home as she heard the patio door being opened /closed. That makes a distinct sound and it came from below , was there more than one apartment below Mrs Fenn who had children?

[sadie]

Yes I would agree with that Carana. I too have had that experience thinking a noise was coming from one place when It wasn't.

It doesn't change the fact that Kate says Maddie had brought this to her attention, and the children did wake up through the night on occasion. It wouldn't be wrong for  Mrs Fenn to identify the McCann children bcauase she claimed it stopped when the parents came home as she heard the patio door being opened /closed. That makes a distinct sound and it came from below , was there more than one apartment below Mrs Fenn who had children?

Yes, but whose patio doors did she hear opening and closing?  The closing of a patio door is a sound same as crying is a sound.  If the direction of the crying cant be definitely recognised, neither can the direction of the patio door sound be recognised. 

So back to square one.  Which child was crying?  Had it been Madeleine crying loudly then IMO all three would havebeen crying.  Same with the twins, if one crying loudly all three would have been IMO.

It seems more likely that one of the other children in the block, a solitary child, was crying.

[pathfinder73]

How is it more likely? Maddy had a star chart for her non-sleeping habits so of course it make sense that she awoke and couldn't find her parents so started crying and shouting for her Daddy as witness Pamela Fenn said!

[Robittybob1]

Unclear. JW does not mention KMcC arriving. KMcC does not mention GMcC leaving first.

Do they have to?  It is only Wednesday night!