'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'

[faithlilly]

Yes, but whose patio doors did she hear opening and closing?  The closing of a patio door is a sound same as crying is a sound.  If the direction of the crying cant be definitely recognised, neither can the direction of the patio door sound be recognised. 

So back to square one.  Which child was crying?  Had it been Madeleine crying loudly then IMO all three would havebeen crying.  Same with the twins, if one crying loudly all three would have been IMO.

It seems more likely that one of the other children in the block, a solitary child, was crying.

The twins slept through the commotion on the night of the 3rd and you appear to believe that that was natural. Couldn't that also have happened again on the 1st and if not do you mind explaining why not ?

[Robittybob1]

The twins slept through the commotion on the night of the 3rd and you appear to believe that that was natural. Couldn't that also have happened again on the 1st and if not do you mind explaining why not ?

Even I think it could be natural for when my kids were young I was at times surprised how the kids slept through noise.

[John]

How is it more likely? Maddy had a star chart for her non-sleeping habits so of course it make sense that she awoke and couldn't find her parents so started crying and shouting for her Daddy as witness Pamela Fenn said!

A child with a history of getting out of her bed just happens to disappear?

[John]

Even I think it could be natural for when my kids were young I was at times surprised how the kids slept through noise.

Just imaging the chaos and the noises which must have erupted in that apartment immediately following the alert that Madeleine had gone and the twins slept through it all even when lifted out of their cots.

[Robittybob1]

Here is an actual test of how to wake kids  "Shocking...most kids sleep through regular smoke alarms" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDzTOk8ZZB4  I've never tested this myself but I know when my job depended on answering a phone. I was awake even part way through the first ring.

[G-Unit]

Just imaging the chaos and the noises which must have erupted in that apartment immediately following the alert that Madeleine had gone and the twins slept through it all even when lifted out of their cots.

The people who were there and who knew the children found it strange. That is a fact which no amount of denial by posters who weren't there and who didn't know the children can change.

I placed the palms of my hands on their backs to check for chest movement, basically, for some sign of life. [madeleine]

[pathfinder73]

Here is an actual test of how to wake kids  "Shocking...most kids sleep through regular smoke alarms" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDzTOk8ZZB4  I've never tested this myself but I know when my job depended on answering a phone. I was awake even part way through the first ring.

When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

[Robittybob1]

When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

They are mere opinions on Gerry's part.  It is documented that the McCanns asked about the use of sedatives, in plenty of time to run toxicology tests.  Were his requests not passed on?

[G-Unit]

They are mere opinions on Gerry's part.  It is documented that the McCanns asked about the use of sedatives, in plenty of time to run toxicology tests.  Were his requests not passed on?

Would you care to support your assertion with a cite?

[Robittybob1]

Would you care to support your assertion with a cite?

It is in the Liaison officer statements.  It has been cited many times.

[Robittybob1]

"In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction."  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

Does that satisfy you?

[Robittybob1]

"OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
STEPHEN MARKLEY LIAISON 25 APRIL 08

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This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE FORCE

09 to 10 Witness statement of Stephen Markley (Police Inspector) 2008.04.25
TRANSLATIONS BY INES

05-Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 9 - 10
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 Statement by: Stephen Markley

Occupation: Police Officer

This statement (composed of 2 pages and signed by me) is true and in accordance with my understanding.

Date: 25th April 2008
Signature____________________________________________________


I am police officer Markley of the Leicestershire Police currently working in the criminal unit.

In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of family communication officer.

According to the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your various meetings that could raise any suspicion that they had any knowledge about what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?

My reply to the question was: No.

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

"One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.


This statement was made by me and is truthful in accordance with my understanding." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

So that is two Liaison officers who confirmed this.

[G-Unit]

When questioned if the twins woke while the apartment was being searched, he replies negatively. When they were taken to another apartment he does not know if they woke as he did not take them. When asked, he says that this was not normal, and can find no reason for it happening. He still thought at this moment that the twins might have been drugged by the possible abductor, even if he only mentioned this to the Police several days later. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

At a certain time, after the arrival of the PJ elements, the parents removed the twins
from the beds in which they were still sleeping and took them to the first floor flat.
At the request of Kate she (the witness) to remove their puppets drink and a blanket that she took to the first floor flat.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SILVIA_BATISTA.htm

Kate says 'we' carried the twins, but seems to have given one to Fiona and still have one left. Is that the Royal 'we' she is using?

we carried a sleepy Sean and Amelie into their sitting room. But I needed to keep them close to me. I lowered myself down on to the couch with Fiona. She took a twin from me and we both sat there hugging my children [madeleine]

Kate gives the impression she was in the Payne's apartment, but not according to Emma Knight;

Quite a bit later that night I remember the police asking everyone to leave the apartment. I received a call from John informing me that he had arranged for another apartment for the McCanns. I went to reception and helped Lyndsey to move the two cots to the new apartment

The McCanns went to the new apartment and I remember seeing Kate and Mrs Payne seated on the sofa, each holding one of the twins.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA-LOUISE.htm

[pathfinder73]

"In relation to the above I would like to mention that at approximately 20.00 on the 5th May, I arrived at the McCann apartment with other family communications officers. We were asked several times during this meeting about questions that Gerald and Kate would like to have followed up and responded to by the PJ.

I remember that during the meetings, Kate revealed that Madeleine had spoken with her in the morning of her disappearance and said that she remembered the twins had cried during the night and that she wanted to know why neither her mother or father had appeared. Kate asked herself whether this fact could have any relation with Madeleine’s disappearance.

Gerry and Kate also questioned whether there was any suggestion that pointed to the use of drugs to facilitate Madeleine's abduction."  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JIM_McGARVEY.htm

Does that satisfy you?

Another contradiction but maybe it's a translation error.

But
"She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying."
The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She thought her daughter's comment strange because it was the first time she had talked about it. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

Kate slept in that bedroom that night. Why was this not declared on 4 May?

Here's the known version by Gerry on 10 May:

The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when Sean and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal. When he questioned her about the comment, she left [withdrew herself] without any explanation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

[Robittybob1]

Another contradiction but maybe it's a translation error.

But
"She reports only one episode where, on the morning of Thursday May 3rd, Madeleine asked the interviewee why she had not come to look in the bedroom when the twins were crying."
The interviewee states that she had heard nothing and had therefore not gone into the bedroom. She thought her daughter's comment strange because it was the first time she had talked about it. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN.htm

Kate slept in that bedroom that night. Why was this not declared on 4 May?

Here's the known version by Gerry on 10 May:

The day MADELEINE disappeared, Thursday, 3 May 2007, they all woke up at the same time between 07H30 and 08H00. While they were taking breakfast MADELEINE addressed the mother and asked her ?why didn't you come last night when Sean and I were crying??. That he thought this comment very strange given that MADELEINE had never had this kind of talk [had never spoken like this] and, the night before, they had maintained the same system of checking on the children, not having detected anything abnormal. When he questioned her about the comment, she left [withdrew herself] without any explanation.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Quite likely a misunderstanding.