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Offline sadie

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #255 on: January 15, 2018, 06:54:32 PM »
The twins slept through the commotion on the night of the 3rd and you appear to believe that that was natural. Couldn't that also have happened again on the 1st and if not do you mind explaining why not ?
Every child is different

BUT, if you look back on my posts, you will see that I have alawys wondered if something was put in their evening meal at the tapas restaurant.  A double dose for Madeleine and a half dose for each of the twins.  Madeleine was so tired that night that she had to be carried home !

.... and they were all too tired to go out for their usual pre bed-play on the swings and climbing frames etc with their friends.

I personally think from the 'evidence' that they were all drugged/sedated at tea time, but I  am only speculating and know that i could be incorrect

Offline G-Unit

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #256 on: January 15, 2018, 07:13:35 PM »
"OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
STEPHEN MARKLEY LIAISON 25 APRIL 08

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This information belongs to the Ministério Público in Portimão, Portugal.
It was released to the public on 4 August 2008 in accordance with Portuguese Law

LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE FORCE

09 to 10 Witness statement of Stephen Markley (Police Inspector) 2008.04.25
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05-Cartas Rogatorias Vol V Pages 9 - 10
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 Statement by: Stephen Markley

Occupation: Police Officer

This statement (composed of 2 pages and signed by me) is true and in accordance with my understanding.

Date: 25th April 2008
Signature____________________________________________________


I am police officer Markley of the Leicestershire Police currently working in the criminal unit.

In 2007 and in relation to the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, I was detached to Portugal in the role of family communication officer.

According to the Portuguese PJ Letter of Request, I was asked to respond to the following question:

Was there anything done or said by Kate or Gerry McCann in your presence or during your various meetings that could raise any suspicion that they had any knowledge about what could have happened to Madeleine, beyond the circumstances described to the Portuguese investigators?

My reply to the question was: No.

However, in relation to the above, I would like to add the following: At about 20.00 on Saturday 5th May 2007, I arrived at the apartment where Kate and Gerry were staying, with other officers. During the meeting Gerald and Kate had a number of questions to which they wanted follow up and responses from the PJ.

"One of these questions was that they wanted the PJ to be aware of was Madeleine's revelation about Wednesday night, when she said that she was left alone during the night. She told Kate and Gerry that she remembered the twins crying and that she wanted to know why neither her mother nor her father had gone to the room to see what was happening.

They also wanted to know whether the PJ had any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction.


This statement was made by me and is truthful in accordance with my understanding." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN_MARKLEY.htm

So that is two Liaison officers who confirmed this.

I see nothing there which might lead the police to consider testing the twins.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #257 on: January 15, 2018, 07:17:05 PM »
Every child is different

BUT, if you look back on my posts, you will see that I have alawys wondered if something was put in their evening meal at the tapas restaurant.  A double dose for Madeleine and a half dose for each of the twins.  Madeleine was so tired that night that she had to be carried home !

.... and they were all too tired to go out for their usual pre bed-play on the swings and climbing frames etc with their friends.

I personally think from the 'evidence' that they were all drugged/sedated at tea time, but I  am only speculating and know that i could be incorrect
I do remember you saying that previously Sadie.  Do the posts survive? You are not suggesting the cooks or the nannies are involved are you?  So who do you think would have done this to the McCanns.  That night they were the only ones from the Tapas 9 who were at tea with their kids in the Tapas, as the others were at the restaurant on the beach front.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #258 on: January 15, 2018, 07:25:46 PM »
Quite likely a misunderstanding.
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So many 'misunderstandings' connected to the McCanns. Are you suggesting that two people said 'Sean and I' and the interpreter heard 'twins'? Are you suggesting that when she read it back to them she said 'twins' and they heard 'Sean and I'? Really?  8(>((

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #259 on: January 15, 2018, 07:30:28 PM »
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So many 'misunderstandings' connected to the McCanns. Are you suggesting that two people said 'Sean and I' and the interpreter heard 'twins'? Are you suggesting that when she read it back to them she said 'twins' and they heard 'Sean and I'? Really?  8(>((
Not at all.  I think the misunderstanding occurred between Kate, Gerry and the liaison officers.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #260 on: January 15, 2018, 07:32:34 PM »
Every child is different

BUT, if you look back on my posts, you will see that I have alawys wondered if something was put in their evening meal at the tapas restaurant.  A double dose for Madeleine and a half dose for each of the twins.  Madeleine was so tired that night that she had to be carried home !

.... and they were all too tired to go out for their usual pre bed-play on the swings and climbing frames etc with their friends.

I personally think from the 'evidence' that they were all drugged/sedated at tea time, but I  am only speculating and know that i could be incorrect

But Kate said nothing about the twins being 'extra tired' or indeed tired at all. How do you explain that ? Further the first time Kate even suggested that Madeleine was 'extra tired' that night was in 2011 in her book. Before then Madeleine, according to the McCanns, was wide awake.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #261 on: January 15, 2018, 07:35:06 PM »
I see nothing there which might lead the police to consider testing the twins.
Didn't we have a previous quote where Gerry was concerned that the twins were sedated?  Now this one about Gerry asking "if there was any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction".
Surely it would be second nature for a detective to see the opportunity of gathering evidence by testing the twins ASAP.
It is not up to Gerry to tell the PJ how to go about their business.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #262 on: January 15, 2018, 07:41:34 PM »
But Kate said nothing about the twins being 'extra tired' or indeed tired at all. How do you explain that ? Further the first time Kate even suggested that Madeleine was 'extra tired' that night was in 2011 in her book. Before then Madeleine, according to the McCanns, was wide awake.
When David came around Kate said the kids were too tired (from memory).
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #263 on: January 15, 2018, 07:48:52 PM »
"The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas, you know they looked immaculate, you know they were just like angels, they all looked so happy and well looked after and content." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #264 on: January 15, 2018, 07:56:11 PM »
"The three children were all you know dressed you know in their pyjamas, you know they looked immaculate, you know they were just like angels, they all looked so happy and well looked after and content." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

The perfect family before the disaster.
Gerry's off playing stupid tennis games, while Kate has dutifully got the three kids ready for bed!  The perfect family!
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Offline jassi

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #265 on: January 15, 2018, 08:02:49 PM »
Gerry's off playing stupid tennis games, while Kate has dutifully got the three kids ready for bed!  The perfect family!


Didn't realise you did irony.  Nice one   8((()*/
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #266 on: January 15, 2018, 08:07:48 PM »

Didn't realise you did irony.  Nice one   8((()*/
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Offline G-Unit

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #267 on: January 15, 2018, 08:20:54 PM »
Every child is different

BUT, if you look back on my posts, you will see that I have alawys wondered if something was put in their evening meal at the tapas restaurant.  A double dose for Madeleine and a half dose for each of the twins.  Madeleine was so tired that night that she had to be carried home !

.... and they were all too tired to go out for their usual pre bed-play on the swings and climbing frames etc with their friends.

I personally think from the 'evidence' that they were all drugged/sedated at tea time, but I  am only speculating and know that i could be incorrect

Rachael got it wrong in her rog interview;

 'Erm Kate and the twins and Madeleine weren't there, I think they'd, I dont think they were there anyway and I know that they'd left shortly, shortly, I think it was shortly before we arrived, cos I know they'd been there, I think when the boys had arrived to play tennis and Kate had taken the kids off to get them ready for bed, so I don't think they were there when we got there, erm no'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-11-MAY07.htm

Matthew isn't at all sure;

on the Thursday when we came back up from tennis I'm not sure that Kate and the children err were there outside the tennis court when we arrived.......so I can't specifically recall whether I saw Madeleine at that point......I think they went back and they were gone by the time I got to the tennis courts.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm
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Offline jassi

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #268 on: January 15, 2018, 08:24:33 PM »
This reluctance to admit to seeing Madeleine on Thursday - very  telling - IMO
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Offline G-Unit

Re: 'Why didn't you come when Sean and I cried last night?'
« Reply #269 on: January 15, 2018, 08:34:43 PM »
Didn't we have a previous quote where Gerry was concerned that the twins were sedated?  Now this one about Gerry asking "if there was any evidence that would suggest that the person who took Madeleine had used any substance to facilitate the abduction".
Surely it would be second nature for a detective to see the opportunity of gathering evidence by testing the twins ASAP.
It is not up to Gerry to tell the PJ how to go about their business.

There was no suggestion that the twins might have been sedated, so I can see no reason why the police would have thought it necessary to have them tested. Why didn't Kate repeat what she alleges she said to the GNR on 3rd?

I reported my fears that all three children could have been sedated [madeleine]

If she had said that to the PJ or the FLO's she might have got the response she says she wanted.

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