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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2018, 08:37:45 PM »
Mary Boyle disappeared on March 18, 1977 as she was visiting her grandparents’ remote farmyard in Cashelard outside Ballyshannon.

The 82-minute documentary, which was made by journalist Gemma O’Doherty, was published on Youtube. It clocked up thousands of views since its release and kick started a renewed campaign to see justice done for the six-year-old girl who disappeared in rural Donegal in 1977.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vGORoCbpXw&t
« Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 12:30:12 AM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2018, 08:55:36 PM »
Mary Boyle disappeared on March 18, 1977 as she was visiting her grandparents’ remote farmyard in Cashelard outside Ballyshannon.

The 82-minute documentary, which was made by journalist Gemma O’Doherty, was published on Youtube. It clocked up thousands of views since its release and kick started a renewed campaign to see justice done for the six-year-old girl who disappeared in rural Donegal in 1977.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vGORoCbpXw&t

I suppose in the final analysis the efficacy of the result will be judged on whether the girls parents were McCann supporters or sceptics.

sort of as in the punchline of a Weegie joke "stop p*****g us aboot Jimmy are yous a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew ?".
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2018, 08:58:45 PM »
Mary Boyle disappeared on March 18, 1977 as she was visiting her grandparents’ remote farmyard in Cashelard outside Ballyshannon.

The 82-minute documentary, which was made by journalist Gemma O’Doherty, was published on Youtube. It clocked up thousands of views since its release and kick started a renewed campaign to see justice done for the six-year-old girl who disappeared in rural Donegal in 1977.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vGORoCbpXw&t

so how accurate is her documentary on Mary Boyle....looks like you have decided with no evidence its accurate

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2018, 09:06:23 PM »
so how accurate is her documentary on Mary Boyle....looks like you have decided with no evidence its accurate

I watched it the first day it was released on youtube. I agree with it. The last person with her knows the truth and Mary Boyle disappeared because of him. I posted on here about it at the time of release.

« Last Edit: January 08, 2018, 09:10:36 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2018, 09:16:25 PM »
I watched it the first day it was released on youtube. I agree with it. The last person with her knows the truth and Mary Boyle disappeared because of him. I posted on here about it at the time of release.


based on what evidence do you agree with it...sounds like you have just blindly accepted everything she has said

Offline pathfinder73

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2018, 09:34:25 PM »
I never blindly accept anything and do my own research.  The last witness had unaccounted time and the child disappeared. Nobody else saw the child on that path. Others have been arrested for it but later released. He has never been arrested.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?141835-Ireland-Mary-Boyle-6-Cashelard-County-Donegal-18-March-1977

Mary Boyle: Man freed over girl's disappearance in 1977
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29733831

Man arrested over disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle in 1977
He is a convicted sex offender who is currently serving a sentence at Midlands Prison in Portlaoise.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1021/653831-mary-boyle/
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline John

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2018, 12:43:11 AM »
This is a new thread..

This documentary is well worth viewing for anyone interested in child disappearances.

« Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 05:21:18 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Brietta

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2018, 09:45:27 AM »
No new evidence found in Donegal search for Mary Boyle - gardaí
Updated / Friday, 15 Jul 2016
A search of land in Co Donegal has found no new evidence in relation to the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle, according to gardaí.

Officers from the garda investigation team in the Northern Region this morning began a dig in an area near where Mary disappeared in Cashelard near Ballyshannon on 18 March 1977.

Gardaí say the search had been planned for some time and was carried out at the request of the Boyle family. 

A small area of land was pumped out and drained but nothing was found. A forensic anthropologist was also on site.
           
The area was previously searched but nothing of evidential value was found at the time.

Earlier this week, gardaí confirmed that a second review of the case is to be carried out by the Serious Crime Review Team.

Mary disappeared while visiting her grandparents in Ballyshannon.

This week it was confirmed that the Serious Crime Review Team, known as the Cold Case Unit, was to review all aspects of the investigation.

However, there has already been a separate review investigation ongoing since 2011 - the Northern Regional Review Team - headed up by an assistant commissioner.

Today's search was part of the local investigation, the national unit is understood not to have been involved.

Gardaí say they are not working on any specific information.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0715/802652-mary-boyle/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2018, 09:51:56 AM »
Sister of missing Mary Boyle to make GSOC complaint
Updated / Wednesday, 13 Jul 2016
A woman whose twin sister disappeared near Ballyshannon, Co Donegal almost 40 years ago is to complain to the Garda Ombudsman about recent media reports in relation to the case.

It was reported yesterday that the Garda Serious Crime Review team was to review the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle, who was last seen in March 1977.

In a statement from her solicitor, Ann Doherty said she was requesting an urgent investigation into the manner in which the development was reported by the Irish Daily Star.

She said it was “deeply troubling' that such a decision had been taken without consultation with Mary's family.

Ms Doherty said she was seeking urgent clarification about the development from gardaí.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0713/802218-doherty/



Garda cold case unit to review Mary Boyle disappearance
Updated / Tuesday, 12 Jul 2016
A specialist garda unit is to take a fresh look into the disappearance of six-year-old Mary Boyle, who was last seen almost 40 years ago in Co Donegal.

The Serious Crime Review team will scrutinise the case from when Mary was first reported missing in March 1977.

If anything new is uncovered or warrants further investigation it will be followed up.

Mary Boyle was last seen by her uncle close to her grandparents' house in Cashelard near Ballyshannon.

Mary's twin sister Ann Doherty has been campaigning in recent years for the case to be reopened and has met politicians in Leinster House, the European Parliament, the US and Brussels.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0712/801934-mary-boyle/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2018, 09:59:35 AM »
Gardai investigating potential new breakthrough in Mary Boyle disappearance
By News Highland - November 29, 2017
It’s after Gardai spoke to two Donegal men who claimed they found a purple cardigan, similar to the one the six-year-old was wearing when she disappeared near Cashelard on March 18, 1977.

The men, who were in their teens at the time, claimed they found the cardigan close to Lough Colmcille, about half a mile from where Mary was last seen, during searches for the missing child.

The men also say that they thought that the cardigan was seized by Gardai at that time.

Journalist with the Irish Star Paul Healy spoke on the Nine til Noon show and says investigating Gardai are taking the matter very seriously.

Here’s the interview in full:
http://www.highlandradio.com/2017/11/29/gardai-investigating-potential-new-breakthrough-in-mary-boyle-disappearance/
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2018, 10:16:03 AM »
Amid the news on the current campaign on behalf of Mary Boyle are reports that Mary's mother has become the target of internet criticism.



MICHAEL CLIFFORD: 'Everybody wants justice for Mary Boyle, but that is nowhere near as simple as is portrayed in a fevered social media campaign'
Saturday, July 23, 2016
EVERYBODY knows who murdered Mary Boyle. Everybody knows there was a cover-up of the killing of the six-year-old in March 1977. Everybody knows that the mainstream media is complicit in this cover-up. Everybody knows.

For anybody who has dipped into social media over the last six months, the above statements are received wisdom. The case of Mary Boyle has been highlighted in a campaign led by Mary’s twin, Ann Doherty, and the journalist Gemma O’Doherty. (To avoid confusion, the two women will be referred to here by their first names.)

Gemma had written and presented a documentary, Mary Boyle — The Untold Story, which has received tens of thousands of viewings on YouTube.

For months, she has pursued the case on social media, where her campaign has generated a major following.

The two women have received full support from Ann’s cousin, the singer Margo O’Donnell, Daniel’s sister.

A fortnight ago, apparently as a result of the pressure generated by the campaign, the Garda commissioner announced there would be a cold case review of Mary’s disappearance.

The scenario as outlined in the documentary goes something like this: Mary was sexually assaulted and murdered not too far from her grandparents’ home in south Donegal.

Following Mary’s disappearance, the investigation was compromised by intervention from a Fianna Fáil politician who phoned Ballyshannon Garda Station. This politician is alleged to have said that the man who has come to be known as the chief suspect should not be arrested.

As a result, the case was never solved, despite some “evidence” that others were aware of the chief suspect’s involvement in the crime. Since then, the main political parties have avoided examining the issue. An Garda Síochána has also avoided unearthing a scandal from the time, and the mainstream media has turned away.

It’s a compelling narrative, but what of the evidence? This has mainly come from two retired gardaí who were involved in the case. In the documentary, both express their belief that they know who killed Mary.

There is an inference that the garda who oversaw the investigation, Superintendent Dom Murray, received — or at least acted on — the call from the politician. Murray died in 2014. This allegation only surfaced after his death.

The documentary relates that in 1985, a series of complaints was made internally about Murray’s general conduct, including that he had attended a Fianna Fáil meeting, which was against Garda regulations. No documentary evidence of this complaint is produced, and neither is there any suggestion that it contained any allegation about interference in the Mary Boyle case.

Give or take a few inconsistencies elsewhere in the story, which are noteworthy but not crucial, that’s about it.

The compelling narrative centres on the alleged interference by the politician.

In recent weeks, TD Pat ‘the Cope’ Gallagher, and councillor Sean McEniff have both issued statements saying they are not the politician in question.

From what has emerged over recent decades about both politics and law enforcement, it is entirely plausible that a politician would have intervened in a Garda investigation in the 1970s.

It might well be argued that this could even have occurred in a case as high profile and emotional as that of a six- year-old’s disappearance.

However, the only evidence is hearsay. Neither of the two officers claims to have received the alleged call. As evidence in a criminal trial, hearsay wouldn’t carry much more weight than rumour.

So why wasn’t the suspect arrested? Perhaps there was precious little evidence gathered that could be put to him. Certainly the evidence produced in the documentary wouldn’t have met such a threshold in 1977.

Prior to the enactment of the Criminal Justice Act 1984, there were strict rules around powers of arrest and detention.

In any event, one of the two gardaí in the documentary, retired detective Aidan Murray, says he interviewed the chief suspect, albeit as a witness.

“I told him, just tell us where the child is,” Murray told Gemma. The suspect began shouting that he was being wrongly blamed and an inspector nudged Murray under the table to go easy.

Murray left and returned with a drink of water, but, he says, the heat had gone out of the moment.

“I felt in my own heart he had a guilty look, I could see it in his eyes. I felt I had him and I thought if there had been that extra bit of pressure, we wouldn’t be here today,” he told Gemma.

So we have hearsay about an outrageous intervention, and a firm hunch on behalf of two gardaí. Sound familiar? Most miscarriages of justice cases down through the decades began with a “belief” as to a suspect’s guilt, without solid evidence to support the belief. In the absence of evidence, the cops go with their hunch and build a convenient case in a reverse of standard police procedure. Both retired gardaí are obviously genuine in their beliefs, but that is no substitute for evidence.

Ann’s pursuit of the matter is entirely understandable from an emotional standpoint, although notably her mother has distanced herself from the campaign. In fact, a distasteful aspect to the whole affair is an inference that Mary Boyle’s mother is not as eager to get justice for Mary, as is her twin sister.

Gemma obviously believes in her pursuit of “Justice for Mary”. Her persistence is admirable, her film well assembled, but it is heavy with innuendo and hearsay rather than hard evidence.

Just last week, she tweeted: “Gardaí refuse to arrest the chief suspect in the murder of Mary Boyle. He attended Mass this morning.” This implies that gardaí can simply make an arrest on the basis of a conspiracy theory.

What really elevated the campaign was the traction it received on social media. Curiously, members and supporters of Sinn Féin have been in the vanguard of the social media blitz.

The party professes to espouse a high threshold for civil liberties, including opposition to the Special Criminal Court. Yet its members are pushing hard for the arrest of somebody based on hearsay and police “hunch” rather than evidence.

Perhaps they are just relieved that allegations around historic murder and child sexual abuse are being directed at a political party other than theirs.

Everybody knows who murdered Mary Boyle. Everybody knows who sanctioned the murder of Jean McConville. Evidence is a different matter.

Justice for Mary would involve a successful prosecution for her disappearance and assumed murder and nothing that has emerged indicates that there would be any real prospect of such an outcome.

Perhaps the cold case review will strike lucky.

Perhaps a premise for an arrest will be found and perhaps the chief suspect may turn out to be culpable and confess. If so, a debate can be initiated about means justifying the end.

Everybody wants justice for Mary Boyle, but that is nowhere near as simple as is portrayed in a fevered social media campaign.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/michael-clifford/everybody-wants-justice-for-mary-boyle-but-that-is-nowhere-near-as-simple-as-is-portrayed-in-a-fevered-social-media-campaign-411902.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2018, 10:45:06 AM »
I see this is all a year and a half ago. Anyone got any more current news on the case.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2018, 03:02:17 PM »
« Last Edit: January 09, 2018, 05:58:35 PM by John »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2018, 10:07:39 PM »
Serial child killer Robert Black regularly travelled through Donegal in his job as a lorry driver.  The circumstances surrounding Mary Boyle's disappearance in my opinion match the modus operandi for some of the many killings Black carried out.

Why on earth is there this mad rush to obliterate centuries of due process in preference to deciding not the guilt or innocence of individuals ... but ALWAYS the guilt ... all based on conspiracy theories and distorted interpretation of the evidence?

One must be careful that "justice for Mary" doesn't mean "injustice" for the man reported on the internet as having attended Mass this week. 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The disappearance of 6-year-old Mary Boyle, Ireland's Madeleine McCann.
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2018, 10:14:26 PM »
I dont know anything about the Mary Boyle case but having looked at her initial thoughts on the mccann case Im very unimpressed. Her observations so far...Gerrys body language...laughing on the balcony...Kates failure to answer 48 questions...and for some reason their trip to Donegal. Hardly investigative journalism..........im expecting dogs dont lie tomorrow