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Offline Robittybob1

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #105 on: January 19, 2018, 11:41:25 PM »
DP believed what Kate was telling him. He was not in a position to know what may have occurred until he had survey the scene himself. A panic-stricken person can overlook the obvious, especially when that person hadn't been out into the front car park or checked with Jane in 5D.
Explain how Jane could have known anything?
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Offline misty

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #106 on: January 19, 2018, 11:51:02 PM »
Explain how Jane could have known anything?

Jane didn't know anything for definite. She equated her sighting earlier in the evening with the possibility that the man was carrying Madeleine but, like anyone, would have prayed that wasn't the case & Madeleine would quickly have been found. Had she not seen the man + child the searches would have been carried out in the same way they were. IMO

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #107 on: January 20, 2018, 12:00:50 AM »
Honestly - NO. 
Provided the OC still activated their missing child procedure.  Why because the likes of Pathfinder (if I understand his theory correctly) seem to suggest the McCanns used the pretence of searching as a method to remove the body away from the crime scene.
I don't quite understand when GA thought the McCanns removed the body away from the crime scene.  But I have a feeling it was much later in the morning e.g between 5 - 7 AM.  Did he ever say?

I know Gerry posed the question "When did we remove the body?"  A damn good question IMO.

When viewed from the perspective of a staged abduction, that's when I query Gerry's 9pm check taking so long, (long enough for Jane to notice he was taking his time) I don't believe he was watching football.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #108 on: January 20, 2018, 12:01:22 AM »
Jane didn't know anything for definite. She equated her sighting earlier in the evening with the possibility that the man was carrying Madeleine but, like anyone, would have prayed that wasn't the case & Madeleine would quickly have been found. Had she not seen the man + child the searches would have been carried out in the same way they were. IMO

But she did see the sighting and told her friends but strangely no on said "then let's go look in that direction ". Bizarre !
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Offline misty

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #109 on: January 20, 2018, 12:10:17 AM »
But she did see the sighting and told her friends but strangely no on said "then let's go look in that direction ". Bizarre !

It would have been totally illogical for everyone to have gone searching in one direction, given the time elapsed since Jane's sighting & no evidence that the child being carried was Madeleine.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #110 on: January 20, 2018, 12:13:13 AM »
Jane didn't know anything for definite. She equated her sighting earlier in the evening with the possibility that the man was carrying Madeleine but, like anyone, would have prayed that wasn't the case & Madeleine would quickly have been found. Had she not seen the man + child the searches would have been carried out in the same way they were. IMO
What about a scenario like this: 
After Russell went back to finish his meal, Jane heard Madeleine crying and went to the apartment and took Madeleine to her apartment, planning to tell Kate at the earliest opportunity.

In that situation Jane would have known something so the guys had to confirm she wasn't in one of the other apartments, and it says that they checked this.
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Offline misty

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #111 on: January 20, 2018, 12:18:53 AM »
What about a scenario like this: 
After Russell went back to finish his meal, Jane heard Madeleine crying and went to the apartment and took Madeleine to her apartment, planning to tell Kate at the earliest opportunity.

In that situation Jane would have known something so the guys had to confirm she wasn't in one of the other apartments, and it says that they checked this.

How would Jane have heard Madeleine crying?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #112 on: January 20, 2018, 12:21:48 AM »
How would Jane have heard Madeleine crying?
They are only three doors down  5B and 5C between them.  And she has just walked past on her way to relieve Russell.
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Offline sadie

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #113 on: January 20, 2018, 12:22:02 AM »
What about a scenario like this: 
After Russell went back to finish his meal, Jane heard Madeleine crying and went to the apartment and took Madeleine to her apartment, planning to tell Kate at the earliest opportunity.

In that situation Jane would have known something so the guys had to confirm she wasn't in one of the other apartments, and it says that they checked this.

Sorry Rob, but Jane was in their apartment looking after their little one who was sick.  Madeleine was too far way for Jane to hear her even had she been wailing her head off

IMO of course.

Offline Brietta

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #114 on: January 20, 2018, 12:25:25 AM »
What about a scenario like this: 
After Russell went back to finish his meal, Jane heard Madeleine crying and went to the apartment and took Madeleine to her apartment, planning to tell Kate at the earliest opportunity.

In that situation Jane would have known something so the guys had to confirm she wasn't in one of the other apartments, and it says that they checked this.

There is absolutely no suggestion that anything like that happened, Robitty, therefore such speculation is in my opinion unwarranted.
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Offline misty

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #115 on: January 20, 2018, 12:29:44 AM »
They are only three doors down  5B and 5C between them.  And she has just walked past on her way to relieve Russell.

Jane was not close enough to the bedroom of 5A to hear any crying. The only place she could have heard it was when walking up RDFGdM passing underneath the lounge & kitchen windows.
Why wouldn't she have told Russell before he went back to the Tapas Bar & how would she have got into 5A without going around to the patio door?

Offline Robittybob1

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #116 on: January 20, 2018, 12:31:38 AM »
Sorry Rob, but Jane was in their apartment looking after their little one who was sick.  Madeleine was too far way for Jane to hear her even had she been wailing her head off

IMO of course.
It is just a hypothetical situation but if Madeleine had made it out to the patio then I'm sure if Jane had stepped out as well she could have heard.  Madeleine had a loud McCann volume voice, I've heard Kate say that.

There is absolutely no suggestion that anything like that happened, Robitty, therefore such speculation is in my opinion unwarranted.
It is not speculation but just one of the things the Tapas 9 had to consider.   There is evidence that they did consider this as they searched the other apartments in case there had been any opportunity Madeleine had gone into another apartment.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #117 on: January 20, 2018, 12:37:15 AM »
You all seem to be getting confused between things that they needed to check for and what actually happened.  They searched the pools but she wasn't in there, they also checked the other Tapas apartments in case she had got into one of them somehow.
I read it today  so I should be able to find it again.

This isn't it but it is close Rachael Oldfield Rogatory:
 "Matt and I went round and went to our apartment to check on Grace, erm and she was there, erm and then Matt sort of went back and I think he went off to sort of look a bit more and search and he, he went down to call the Police at the main reception of the Ocean Club, erm and I just stayed near our apartment really and Jane was, she didn't know what happened, she was looking after Evie, so I went to tell Jane what had happened, erm I think it must have been, must have been after we checked on Grace or sort of, after we checked on Grace and come out and I think perhaps Kate and Fi were standing by the window, like on the outside of the apartment and no, Kate, I think Kate had said you know, somebodys taken her, cos the shutter was up and the window was open, erm yeah, I think it was then that we kind of realised that she'd been taken, erm as, you know, as opposed to just kind of wandering out of her bed and just wondering where people were, erm and then, and I remember then going to talk to Jane and Matt went off and that, I went to talk to Jane....."
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #118 on: January 20, 2018, 12:57:34 AM »
Even David went and check his apartment DP rogatory "You know we, you know we didn't know what to do, we went running around you know err the safety of my own you know children, you know I started, you wanted to check that your own two are alright so I, some say I ran up to our apartment and checked they were alright." 

At the same time you are looking at your own kids you are looking for the presence of Madeleine IMO.
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Offline Brietta

Re: When was the door shut? David Payne. Rules out wandering off.
« Reply #119 on: January 20, 2018, 01:07:19 AM »
It is just a hypothetical situation but if Madeleine had made it out to the patio then I'm sure if Jane had stepped out as well she could have heard.  Madeleine had a loud McCann volume voice, I've heard Kate say that.
It is not speculation but just one of the things the Tapas 9 had to consider.   There is evidence that they did consider this as they searched the other apartments in case there had been any opportunity Madeleine had gone into another apartment.

You've lost me.  I know they ran and checked on their own children and checked if the windows were unlocked but when did they search the other apartments looking for Madeleine?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....