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Offline Robittybob1

Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« on: January 11, 2018, 03:33:27 AM »
I'm surprised by this comment from years gone by poster was Luz http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2167.msg73297#msg73297

 "There was no safety gate in May, 3rd 2007. That was put up much later. However I don't believe the McCann left the back door open since on the first depositions Mr. McCann said that he entered the apartment by the front door using the key. For me the possibility that the child went out by herself is impossible. As it is the theory that anyone was able to open the  bedroom shutters and take her."

Yet I have heard Gerry talking about a special gate at the top of the stairs!  So what are the facts about the safety gate.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 03:58:20 AM »
Maybe the answer lies in this thread "Security improvements at Ocean Club apartments, Praia da Luz, Portugal."  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5646.msg198913#msg198913
Sadie mentions changes around the apartment but nothing about the safety gate.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 06:48:37 AM »
There appears to be a child gate at the top of the stairs in this photo. http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/images/baby_gate.jpg
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 08:18:17 AM »
The child gate was there on the 3rd May, Kate & Gerry mention it here....

@22.50

https://youtu.be/WLvnfcl-Zkg?t=1370

GM: With the child lock.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 08:38:41 AM »
Quote from: Wonderfulspam on January 11, 2018, 08:18:17 AM
The child gate was there on the 3rd May, Kate & Gerry mention it here....

@22.50

https://youtu.be/WLvnfcl-Zkg?t=1370

GM: With the child lock.
That was the video I was hoping someone knew about.  I have heard it quite often but I wasn't sure which interview it was,  Thank you.

Did you notice she doesn't give a reason why Madeleine was not thought of exiting the front door?  What would have been Kate's answer to that? 
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Offline Carana

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 10:04:37 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 11, 2018, 03:33:27 AM
I'm surprised by this comment from years gone by poster was Luz http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2167.msg73297#msg73297

 "There was no safety gate in May, 3rd 2007. That was put up much later. However I don't believe the McCann left the back door open since on the first depositions Mr. McCann said that he entered the apartment by the front door using the key. For me the possibility that the child went out by herself is impossible. As it is the theory that anyone was able to open the  bedroom shutters and take her."

Yet I have heard Gerry talking about a special gate at the top of the stairs!  So what are the facts about the safety gate.

Not sure the PJ would agree with her.

What's this then?
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 10:15:02 AM »

Luz was wrong.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 10:15:41 AM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 11, 2018, 03:33:27 AM
I'm surprised by this comment from years gone by poster was Luz http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2167.msg73297#msg73297

"There was no safety gate in May, 3rd 2007. That was put up much later. However I don't believe the McCann left the back door open since on the first depositions Mr. McCann said that he entered the apartment by the front door using the key. For me the possibility that the child went out by herself is impossible. As it is the theory that anyone was able to open the  bedroom shutters and take her."

Yet I have heard Gerry talking about a special gate at the top of the stairs!  So what are the facts about the safety gate.

That post was 2013 and the PJ files were released in 2008 showing the child gate in the PJ photos taken on 3rd May. Why would someone make a post which was so easy to disprove?

Why, also, are you raising the matter when I'm pretty sure you have read the files and seen the photos of the child gate?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_PHOTO_REPORT.htm
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 10:19:04 AM »
OK it is clear Luz was wrong.  Maybe moderation was different in those days and factually wrong statements were allowed.  I just wanted to know if the gate we see is the so called safety gate.  It isn't actually labelled as such.
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 11:45:30 AM »
It doesn’t really matter, my grandkids could open them before they were 3.
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Offline Carana

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 01:05:43 PM »
Quote from: Robittybob1 on January 11, 2018, 10:19:04 AM
OK it is clear Luz was wrong.  Maybe moderation was different in those days and factually wrong statements were allowed.  I just wanted to know if the gate we see is the so called safety gate.  It isn't actually labelled as such.

The bottom gate was there as well.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/nintchdbpict0000047119441.jpg?strip=all&w=960
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Offline Carana

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 01:42:17 PM »
Quote from: slartibartfast on January 11, 2018, 11:45:30 AM
It doesn’t really matter, my grandkids could open them before they were 3.

But if they could have got out a verandah, would they have a) closed the verandah door after them, b) closed the baby gate (unless it swung shut) and c) shut the bottom gate?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2018, 01:52:28 PM »
Quote from: Carana on January 11, 2018, 01:42:17 PM
But if they could have got out a verandah, would they have a) closed the verandah door after them, b) closed the baby gate (unless it swung shut) and c) shut the bottom gate?

With younger siblings, it could have been drilled into them. Close the gate!
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Safety Gate - top of stairs. When was it installed?
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