Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[Vertigo Swirl]

I will always be many moves ahead of you. I bet you can't wait for the truth then disappear from here or maybe you will be abducted

What a very arrogant and silly reply IMO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Strength in numbers

Did any of the Tapas Group attempt to hide their so-called neglect?  Let’s take JT for example.  Police established very quickly that her and her partner spent some of the meal away from their kids, this fact was not hidden.  Yet, you have her, in your theory, agreeing to go along with some convoluted plot involving pretending that a man she actually did see carrying a child was seen at the same time as Gerry McCann, because he needed an alibi because his child had just died in an accident, this being a man (Gerry) that she didnt even know that well.  Does that not ever strike you as being rather ludicrous?  What’s in it for her?

[ShiningInLuz]

So your contention is my contention but that doesn’t happen to be your contention.  You can see why I’m baffled.

Frankly no, given that I said our contentions were different.

[G-Unit]

Did any of the Tapas Group attempt to hide their so-called neglect?  Let’s take JT for example.  Police established very quickly that her and her partner spent some of the meal away from their kids, this fact was not hidden.  Yet, you have her, in your theory, agreeing to go along with some convoluted plot involving pretending that a man she actually did see carrying a child was seen at the same time as Gerry McCann, because he needed an alibi because his child had just died in an accident, this being a man (Gerry) that she didnt even know that well.  Does that not ever strike you as being rather ludicrous?  What’s in it for her?

How could they hide their 'neglect'?

Jeremy and Bridget became aware that although the McCanns had taken up the use of the creche facility during the day, they had not done so for the evening hours and had left the children in the apartment but were checking on them regularly and that other members of the group appeared to be doing the same.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30.......

The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

Frankly no, given that I said our contentions were different.

my contention is that the McCanns and their group made no concerted group effort to hide the fact that they regularly left their kids alone in the evenings to go to dinner.  How does this differ from your contention?

[Vertigo Swirl]

How could they hide their 'neglect'?

Jeremy and Bridget became aware that although the McCanns had taken up the use of the creche facility during the day, they had not done so for the evening hours and had left the children in the apartment but were checking on them regularly and that other members of the group appeared to be doing the same.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY_BRIGET.htm

She remembers that on Sunday 29th April one of the elements of the group arrived with the child Madeleine McCann, she does not know his name and can only say that he was male and tall and thin and that he approached her to request a booking for the whole group, for the whole week and always at 20.30.......

The man justified his request by saying that the group had many small children whom they would leave alone when they went to dine. She said that at intervals some two parents would go to the apartments to see if everything was OK.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm

exactly, they couldn’t, so suggesting they were protecting each other to avoid being accused of child neglect is nonsense imo.

[faithlilly]

exactly, they couldn’t, so suggesting they were protecting each other to avoid being accused of child neglect is nonsense imo.

Don’t you think the group would know that it would be hard to prosecute four professional couples if they all just stuck together.

[ShiningInLuz]

my contention is that the McCanns and their group made no concerted group effort to hide the fact that they regularly left their kids alone in the evenings to go to dinner.  How does this differ from your contention?

Forum rules prevent me from posting my contention.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Don’t you think the group would know that it would be hard to prosecute four professional couples if they all just stuck together.

I’m sure Gerry sold it as ‘if we go down we all go down’.

You’re sure??!  I’d love to see your cast iron proof.  Meanwhile no, I think it absurd to suggest that on being told a child had died in an accident that everyone in the group felt that they would all face prosecution for it, so decided to cover up for a man who could then blithely threw his child away in a bin.  No way, Jose. 

[kizzy]

You’re sure??!  I’d love to see your cast iron proof.  Meanwhile no, I think it absurd to suggest that on being told a child had died in an accident that everyone in the group felt that they would all face prosecution for it, so decided to cover up for a man who could then blithely threw his child away in a bin.  No way, Jose.

Haven't you heard of guilt by association.

The latter part of your post - could be the reason in the delay of calling the police. imo

Why waste all that time looking for maddie - when kmccann knew she had been abducted.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Forum rules prevent me from posting my contention.

OK well in that case perhaps you could tell me which part of my contention:
"none of them attempted to cover up the fact that they had all left their children unattended"
makes no sense to you?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Haven't you heard of guilt by association.

The latter part of your post - could be the reason in the delay of calling the police. imo

Why waste all that time looking for maddie - when kmccann knew she had been abducted.

If you think it plausible that not one, not two but seven individuals, all seemingly loving parents and including a grandma, would all agree to cover for a man who they knew had callously disposed of his own child's body simply to save their own skins, and then not one of them break ranks for 11 years, then that is your prerogative, but I think it is a highly unlikely motivating factor and a highly unlikely scenario, especially when the consequences of being found out in such a plot would be far, far graver than any consequences derived from "guilt by association" in the accidental death of someone else's child (is that an actual prosecutable crime in Portugal?)

[kizzy]

If you think it plausible that not one, not two but seven individuals, all seemingly loving parents and including a grandma, would all agree to cover for a man who they knew had callously disposed of his own child's body simply to save their own skins, and then not one of them break ranks for 11 years, then that is your prerogative, but I think it is a highly unlikely motivating factor and a highly unlikely scenario, especially when the consequences of being found out in such a plot would be far, far graver than any consequences derived from "guilt by association" in the accidental death of someone else's child (is that an actual prosecutable crime in Portugal?)

IMO - doctors are strange people, they don't have the sentiments ordinary people do.

The seemingly loving parents, would be more fearful for there own children, and what they could loose imo

[Mr Gray]

IMO - doctors are strange people, they don't have the sentiments ordinary people do.

The seemingly loving parents, would be more fearful for there own children, and what they could loose imo

You obviously  don't know any doctors IMO... They are not strange and quite normal... Lol

[Erngath]

You obviously  don't know any doctors IMO... They are not strange and quite normal... Lol

Two uncles and a good friend are/were doctors.
All very normal and not strange at all.

ETA.
Our second grandson considered being a doctor.
Very normal and affectionate lad.
Relieved he has changed his mind, now going to do law!
Wouldn't want him labelled as being strange and not normal.