Where were Jez and Gerry standing when they did their talking? Ideas solutions

[Vertigo Swirl]

IMO - doctors are strange people, they don't have the sentiments ordinary people do.

The seemingly loving parents, would be more fearful for there own children, and what they could loose imo

what a very strange assertion - you seem to be suggesting that doctors don't live by the same moral code as other more "normal" people, and that disposing of a beloved child in a dustbin would seem quite reasonable to them.  Correct me if I have misunderstood you?

[faithlilly]

If you think it plausible that not one, not two but seven individuals, all seemingly loving parents and including a grandma, would all agree to cover for a man who they knew had callously disposed of his own child's body simply to save their own skins, and then not one of them break ranks for 11 years, then that is your prerogative, but I think it is a highly unlikely motivating factor and a highly unlikely scenario, especially when the consequences of being found out in such a plot would be far, far graver than any consequences derived from "guilt by association" in the accidental death of someone else's child (is that an actual prosecutable crime in Portugal?)

We have no idea who may or may not have broken ranks.

[Vertigo Swirl]

We have no idea who may or may not have broken ranks.

Yes we do.  The answer is no one.  How do we know this?  Because no one has been made an arguido and questioned about it.

[ShiningInLuz]

OK well in that case perhaps you could tell me which part of my contention:
"none of them attempted to cover up the fact that they had all left their children unattended"
makes no sense to you?

It makes sense.

I simply have a different contention.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It makes sense.

I simply have a different contention.

That's good to know because when I wrote exactly that in post #598, you responded in post #603 that what I had written "makes no sense". I am glad it now does make sense.

[kizzy]

Two uncles and a good friend are/were doctors.
All very normal and not strange at all.

No doubt - i know doctors too, cousin one.

But my point was they are normal, but are less emotional than us, and cope better with distressing situations.

They are emotionally detached from distressing situations  imo


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4728886


 This inhibition has a negative impact not only on the patients but also on the physicians. The expression of emotions in medical practice is perceived as unprofessional and many doctors learn to supress and ignore their feelings

 Doctors are expected to be empathetic towards their patients, but the effect of this requirement on their emotional wellbeing is rarely acknowledged. In order to address this gap, this paper discusses the ways in which the emotional work that is necessary for empathy affects physicians themselves and their ability to cope with distressing situations.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No doubt - i know doctors too, cousin one.

But my point was they are normal, but are less emotional than us, and cope better with distressing situations.

They are emotionally detached from distressing situations  imo


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4728886


 This inhibition has a negative impact not only on the patients but also on the physicians. The expression of emotions in medical practice is perceived as unprofessional and many doctors learn to supress and ignore their feelings

 Doctors are expected to be empathetic towards their patients, but the effect of this requirement on their emotional wellbeing is rarely acknowledged. In order to address this gap, this paper discusses the ways in which the emotional work that is necessary for empathy affects physicians themselves and their ability to cope with distressing situations.

Any studies to suggest that this emotional detachment extends beyond the professional patient-doctor relationship into close family relationships? 

[G-Unit]

If you think it plausible that not one, not two but seven individuals, all seemingly loving parents and including a grandma, would all agree to cover for a man who they knew had callously disposed of his own child's body simply to save their own skins, and then not one of them break ranks for 11 years, then that is your prerogative, but I think it is a highly unlikely motivating factor and a highly unlikely scenario, especially when the consequences of being found out in such a plot would be far, far graver than any consequences derived from "guilt by association" in the accidental death of someone else's child (is that an actual prosecutable crime in Portugal?)

There are a few assumptions there.

That 7 people all knew what had happened to Madeleine.
That what they knew was that a man had 'callously disposed of his own child's body '
That the child had died in an accident.

The evidence says that the McCann children didn't sleep through the night. Their parents told us that there was waking and crying on two occasions; Tuesday and Wednesday. According to a neighbour there was prolonged crying on the Tuesday.

If the child checking was less frequent than it should have been, it was in everyone's interest to 'beef it up'.

[ShiningInLuz]

That's good to know because when I wrote exactly that in post #598, you responded in post #603 that what I had written "makes no sense". I am glad it now does make sense.

598 makes no sense. You are positing that the information provided re checking was accurate, without proof thereof.

[slartibartfast]

Any studies to suggest that this emotional detachment extends beyond the professional patient-doctor relationship into close family relationships?

Are you suggesting Doctors can’t put aside an emotional response when a business like response is required?

[Vertigo Swirl]

There are a few assumptions there.

That 7 people all knew what had happened to Madeleine.
That what they knew was that a man had 'callously disposed of his own child's body '
That the child had died in an accident.

The evidence says that the McCann children didn't sleep through the night. Their parents told us that there was waking and crying on two occasions; Tuesday and Wednesday. According to a neighbour there was prolonged crying on the Tuesday.

If the child checking was less frequent than it should have been, it was in everyone's interest to 'beef it up'.

The assumptions were based on Faithlilly's assertion that she believes they are all involved in self-protection to cover up for the neglect issue.  Please read back.

[slartibartfast]

There are a few assumptions there.

That 7 people all knew what had happened to Madeleine.
That what they knew was that a man had 'callously disposed of his own child's body '
That the child had died in an accident.

The evidence says that the McCann children didn't sleep through the night. Their parents told us that there was waking and crying on two occasions; Tuesday and Wednesday. According to a neighbour there was prolonged crying on the Tuesday.

If the child checking was less frequent than it should have been, it was in everyone's interest to 'beef it up'.

A logical thesis.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Are you suggesting Doctors can’t put aside an emotional response when a business like response is required?

Are you suggesting that when a doctor's own child has died suddenly they can set aside an emotional response to assume a business-like response instead?

[slartibartfast]

Are you suggesting that when a doctor's own child has died suddenly they can set aside an emotional response to assume a business-like response instead?

I would suggest it would be true if a doctors child had an accident... So I don’t think it is impossible.

[kizzy]

Are you suggesting that when a doctor's own child has died suddenly they can set aside an emotional response to assume a business-like response instead?

Not business like, but trained to emotionally detach imo.

Could also account for all there strange stuff - like going jogging playing golf etc etc etc etc.