The Smithman e-fits

[Lace]

I believe that was said in 2012.  Was it mentioned before the review was agreed?

I believe they were wanting a review to start with.

[Alice Purjorick]

If there was an argument against it by way of an example my argument would fail.

It fails anyway as does any argument that relies on the premise "well it has never happened before".

[Robittybob1]

It fails anyway as does any argument that relies on the premise "well it has never happened before".

I heard Pedro Carmo (Deputy head of the PJ) use the exact same argument.  I'm in good company.

[Alice Purjorick]

I heard Pedro Carmo (Deputy head of the PJ) use the exact same argument.  I'm in good company.

So that makes two of you wrong to use that argument.

[Robittybob1]

He actually said;

I would be 60-80% sure that it was Gerard McCann that I met that night carrying a child.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Studies have shown there is no correlation between certainty and accuracy. (these were from Tex Talks on the topic).

[Robittybob1]

Wouldn't you then have to have doubts about his claim and the E-fits which were drawn up after the claim  If there was a date for the production of the Smith E-fits.

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/acpo/facial-identification-guidance-2009.pdf  An important section regarding Martin Smith was this part:  Witness Contamination.  If Martin Smith had seen a image of Gerry McCann and he felt he had identified GM he should not have drawn e-fits  according to the guidance document.

He may have said he had changed his mind at the time, but according to Gemma O'Doherty he never wavered therefore he should not have produced an composite drawing.

[G-Unit]

No matter what Smith said, saw, or did, the fact remains that the 'experts' in Operation Grange used those e-fits. As far as they're concerned any abduction took place after 9.30 pm and Smithman needs identifying. None of the arguments trying to discredit the sighting will change that.

[Robittybob1]

No matter what Smith said, saw, or did, the fact remains that the 'experts' in Operation Grange used those e-fits. As far as they're concerned any abduction took place after 9.30 pm and Smithman needs identifying. None of the arguments trying to discredit the sighting will change that.

No we won't be able to change what has been done, but what do we do about it in the future?

[G-Unit]

No we won't be able to change what has been done, but what do we do about it in the future?

Nothing you have done or may do in the future will make any difference in my opinion. You're not in control.

[Robittybob1]

Nothing you have done or may do in the future will make any difference in my opinion. You're not in control.

I beg to differ.  I feel we can make a difference to this case.  It is my full time occupation ATM  - I'm trying as hard as I can to find the solution.  Why can't it be done via the power of social media?

[G-Unit]

I beg to differ.  I feel we can make a difference to this case.  It is my full time occupation ATM  - I'm trying as hard as I can to find the solution.  Why can't it be done via the power of social media?

Two police forces have spent years looking at the evidence, a lot of which you can't access. They don't seem to have solved the case, so why you think you can I can't imagine.

[Robittybob1]

Two police forces have spent years looking at the evidence, a lot of which you can't access. They don't seem to have solved the case, so why you think you can I can't imagine.

I have my moments too of feeling defeated.

[jassi]

I have my moments too of feeling defeated.

If this is all you do, I'm surprised you're not clinically depressed.

[Robittybob1]

If this is all you do, I'm surprised you're not clinically depressed.

I have my chores etc, but this is my main focus.  Not sure where it will end up.  I have done this type of research before and I was able to come to a conclusion but I didn't have the ability to make a change.  It is not easy and at times I  am overwhelmed.

[G-Unit]

I have my chores etc, but this is my main focus.  Not sure where it will end up.  I have done this type of research before and I was able to come to a conclusion but I didn't have the ability to make a change.  It is not easy and at times I  am overwhelmed.

Perhaps you've set your sights too high.