The Smithman e-fits

[Mr Gray]

Did they find the child?

Crimewatch et al shoveled lots of sh*t at Luz in particular and the Algarve in general.

To repeat, if you want to discuss if OG have covered themselves in glory, please start a new thread and I will be happy to participate.

But this thread is about the Smithman e-fits.  Scientific research and Surrey Police agree they were a lot of cobblers.

I'm afraid the residents of Luz need to understand there is, a missing child..... Tough sh.t if they are inconvenienced imo

[misty]

Nobody forced OG to feature these e-fits.
Whether you like it or not, Smithman is an important sighting that has yet to be explained.

I have absolutely no problem with OG featuring the efits (accompanied by the barely-stifled smile). Trace, investigate, evaluate. The purpose of the review was to look at ALL the evidence & deal with the unanswered questions which arose.

[jassi]

IMO only the Smiths can explain it.

On the contrary, the Smiths don't have to explain anything. They described what they saw. It is for the police to identify the man - if they can.

[misty]

Did they find the child?

Crimewatch et al shoveled lots of sh*t at Luz in particular and the Algarve in general.

To repeat, if you want to discuss if OG have covered themselves in glory, please start a new thread and I will be happy to participate.

But this thread is about the Smithman e-fits.  Scientific research and Surrey Police agree they were a lot of cobblers.

No they didn't. They were acting on a tip-off decades later. Would it have been good policing if the detectives hadn't acted to try to solve a cold case simply because of any disruption to the latest occupants of the house?

[Carana]

The former, not the latter.

How do you know that there wasn't specific intelligence that warranted a search?

[Robittybob1]

On the contrary, the Smiths don't have to explain anything. They described what they saw. It is for the police to identify the man - if they can.

What I meant is how they can do an E-fit without seeing the man's face.

[ShiningInLuz]

No they didn't. They were acting on a tip-off decades later. Would it have been good policing if the detectives hadn't acted to try to solve a cold case simply because of any disruption to the latest occupants of the house?

I'm not prepared to discuss a case about which I know nothing.

Especially because I cannot evaluate said tip off, other than it appears to be bogus.

Perhaps you might like to consider what it is like to live in a place that has had constant smears thrown at it for 11 years.  With no evidence to support them.

If you consider that fair so be it.  I don't.

[ShiningInLuz]

How do you know that there wasn't specific intelligence that warranted a search?

Which search?  If you mean the dig in central Luz, intelligence suggests that Barrington Godfrey Norton was camped on the mound that night.  See Kirsty Louise Maryan.

If you mean in general, OG has not exhibited any intelligence.

To repeat, if you want to discuss the OG effort, start up another thread and I will be happy to contribute.

But this thread is about the Smithman e-fits.  Which are junk.  Not IMO, but according to scientific research and the Surrey Police.

[Mr Gray]

I'm not prepared to discuss a case about which I know nothing.

Especially because I cannot evaluate said tip off, other than it appears to be bogus.

Perhaps you might like to consider what it is like to live in a place that has had constant smears thrown at it for 11 years.  With no evidence to support them.

If you consider that fair so be it.  I don't.

YOU choose to go and live there, after the disappearance I believe..

Then you promote tours

I sense faux outrage...

[misty]

I'm not prepared to discuss a case about which I know nothing.

Especially because I cannot evaluate said tip off, other than it appears to be bogus.

Perhaps you might like to consider what it is like to live in a place that has had constant smears thrown at it for 11 years.  With no evidence to support them.

If you consider that fair so be it.  I don't.

I can no more relate to that than I can to living a life facing constant accusations of committing a crime with no evidence to support that. Which is the lesser of the 2 evils IYO & why denigrate the very police force who are trying to alleviate both sets of circumstances? 

[ShiningInLuz]

I can no more relate to that than I can to living a life facing constant accusations of committing a crime with no evidence to support that. Which is the lesser of the 2 evils IYO & why denigrate the very police force who are trying to alleviate both sets of circumstances?

Denigrate what?  OG?

The very police force that has constantly been slinging muck at Luz?

In order to alleviate what? Surely not life in Luz?

May I ask, are you afraid to start a thread about OG?  Then we could stop dancing around the outside and get to the heart of that particular matter.

Until then, the e-fits were flaky, and OG knew they were flaky.  They did s*d all for Madeleine, s*d all for the McCanns, and s*d all for Luz.

Can we possibly move on?

[misty]

Denigrate what?  OG?

The very police force that has constantly been slinging muck at Luz?

In order to alleviate what? Surely not life in Luz?

May I ask, are you afraid to start a thread about OG?  Then we could stop dancing around the outside and get to the heart of that particular matter.

Until then, the e-fits were flaky, and OG knew they were flaky.  They did s*d all for Madeleine, s*d all for the McCanns, and s*d all for Luz.

Can we possibly move on?

I have no desire to start a thread on OG, preferring to think that they have worked their socks off to try & solve this case -  but perhaps you do?
IMO SY did what they needed to do with the efits - promote them to a wider audience in the vain hope that the alleged sighting could be ruled out & not left as a thorn in the side of the investigation.
Perhaps some of the blame for whatever the people of Luz see as their suffering should be directed towards the secrecy which is at the heart of the Portuguese justice system.

[ShiningInLuz]

I have no desire to start a thread on OG, preferring to think that they have worked their socks off to try & solve this case -  but perhaps you do?
IMO SY did what they needed to do with the efits - promote them to a wider audience in the vain hope that the alleged sighting could be ruled out & not left as a thorn in the side of the investigation.
Perhaps some of the blame for whatever the people of Luz see as their suffering should be directed towards the secrecy which is at the heart of the Portuguese justice system.

I take it your first sentence was meant to be 'don't', but it it is of little import.

There is a difference between activity and achievement.  I don't doubt OG have been active.  I have seen them being active, including in the flesh.  What I haven't seen is intelligence or achievement.  For £11m+ one is entitled to both.

Please don't give me the Portuguese judicial secrecy angle.  The McCanns were told no media, yet they (or their entourage) had the story on GMTV early morning news on 4 May.

The McCanns could have published the Smithman  e-fits in Portugal, in Portuguese, in 2008.  At a time when they were not arguidos.  They chose not to.

[misty]

I take it your first sentence was meant to be 'don't', but it it is of little import.

There is a difference between activity and achievement.  I don't doubt OG have been active.  I have seen them being active, including in the flesh.  What I haven't seen is intelligence or achievement.  For £11m+ one is entitled to both.

Please don't give me the Portuguese judicial secrecy angle.  The McCanns were told no media, yet they (or their entourage) had the story on GMTV early morning news on 4 May.

The McCanns could have published the Smithman  e-fits in Portugal, in Portuguese, in 2008.  At a time when they were not arguidos.  They chose not to.

Do you really believe CdM or any other Portuguese media outlet would have published the efits in 2008 on the back of the launch of Goncalo Amaral's book & the documentary which was in the pipeline - because I sure don't. The Smith family were intrinsic to Amaral's narrative & they would have been left suitably discredited & embarrassed by the whole affair.

[Robittybob1]

I take it your first sentence was meant to be 'don't', but it it is of little import.

There is a difference between activity and achievement.  I don't doubt OG have been active.  I have seen them being active, including in the flesh.  What I haven't seen is intelligence or achievement.  For £11m+ one is entitled to both.

Please don't give me the Portuguese judicial secrecy angle.  The McCanns were told no media, yet they (or their entourage) had the story on GMTV early morning news on 4 May.

The McCanns could have published the Smithman  e-fits in Portugal, in Portuguese, in 2008.  At a time when they were not arguidos.  They chose not to.

If they had who would have handled the responses?