The Smithman e-fits

[Carana]

As you say the staff and volunteers may have performed  a perfunctory search of the bins but by the early hours of the 4th the bins had been collected and emptied. Further the landfill that rubbish from PDL goes to was never searched.

Remember if my hypothesis is correct this had to look like the abductor had dumped the body.

A question, though, if the body was meant to be found... what went wrong?

[faithlilly]

It was more than that, but no, my mistake, I thought they'd also checked the landfill, which doesn't appear to be the case.

 12-Processos Vol XII Page 3183

TRANSLATION BY INES
12_VOLUME_XIIa_Page_3183
Service Information

2007/05/07

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

From: J. C. Franco, Inspector


Subject: Verification of Rubbish Containers


I hereby bring to your notice, that on this date, I the undersigned, together with Inspector Luis Piedade as well as three employees from the Lagos Municipal Chamber, responsible for rubbish collection from Praia da Luz, went to P da L and carried out a detailed check of all the rubbish containers in the area, including the underground containers, as well as in surrounding areas, a total of 188 containers were checked, nothing was found of interest to the NUIPC 201.07 OGALGS investigation.

Signed


Inspector J.C. Franco

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUBBISH.htm#r3183

By the 5th the bins would have been emptied twice, once in the early hours of the 4th and once on the 5th so  its not surprising that they found nothing.

[G-Unit]

I can understand how Martin Smith could say it wasn't Murat,   the person he saw didn't wear glasses,  has anyone ever seen a photo of Murat without his glasses?

I think Murat's size may have been a factor too. He never struck me as thin. Smith said;  He had an average build, a bit on the thin side.'
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

[Carana]

Questions are much more than that. Behind every question is a purpose. It's that purpose which matters because it shapes which questions are asked and how they are presented.

Reading the 60 questions their purpose is clear; to cast doubt on the Smiths and their evidence. In order to achieve that purpose most of the questions reveal the questioner's opinion and ask for agreement. They are presented in such a way as to make anyone who disagrees look stupid. Take question No 1;

Why would anyone whose daughter had died recently (whether hours or days earlier) be so bone-headed as to carry her openly through the streets of a popular tourist resort

The questioner is telling you that in their opinion only a 'bone-head' would carry his dead daughter's body openly through the streets of a popular tourist resort. It's a statement of their own opinion rather than an attempt to discover what the responer thinks. A more valid wording might have been;

Do you think it's possible that someone openly carried a dead body through the streets of Luz?

That question contains nothing to reveal the questioner's opinions, and nothing to suggest which answer would be seen as valid. It's much more neutral and objective.

Agreed about the phrasing: if you disagree*, you're implicitly acknowledging that you're also a "bonehead".

As it happens, I also very much doubt that it was Gerry, but that's neither here nor there.

What I find disturbing is what I perceive as an unnecessary attack on a family in the process.

* Corrected: that should have read disagree.

[Carana]

By the 5th the bins would have been emptied twice, once in the early hours of the 4th and once on the 5th so  its not surprising that they found nothing.

I don't know if bins are emptied every night or not. It's possible, but I haven't found confirmation of it.

If so, why wasn't the dump checked in the early days?

[Brietta]

Distance from apartment 5a was all that was needed. The body was meant to be found. Unfortunately the bins were emptied.

If there was a body ... bearing in mind there is not a single indication there was one ... and it was the intention that it be found ... that would surely have been the simplest thing in the world to achieve.

[Carana]

If there was a body ... bearing in mind there is not a single indication there was one ... and it was the intention that it be found ... that would surely have been the simplest thing in the world to achieve.

If finding the body quickly was the intention, something must have gone very wrong. What could that have been, and what evidence points to it?

[G-Unit]

Agreed about the phrasing: if you agree, you're implicitly acknowledging that you're also a "bonehead".

As it happens, I also very much doubt that it was Gerry, but that's neither here nor there.

What I find disturbing is what I perceive as an unnecessary attack on a family in the process.

Exactly. We may disagree on the case, but we agree on other matters such as 'loaded' questions. I also agree that attacking a family to uphold a particular opinion is disturbing. Opinions can and will be formed by examining evidence, but they shouldn't be used as if they were evidence.

[Mr Gray]

Exactly. We may disagree on the case, but we agree on other matters such as 'loaded' questions. I also agree that attacking a family to uphold a particular opinion is disturbing. Opinions can and will be formed by examining evidence, but they shouldn't be used as if they were evidence.

Who has attacked the family... The smiths told the truth as they saw it....

[Carana]

Who has attacked the family... The smiths told the truth as they saw it....

I think G-Unit and I were discussing the overall "tone" of the latest "60 questions".

[Mr Gray]

Exactly. We may disagree on the case, but we agree on other matters such as 'loaded' questions. I also agree that attacking a family to uphold a particular opinion is disturbing. Opinions can and will be formed by examining evidence, but they shouldn't be used as if they were evidence.

I think  attacking the mccanns to support a certain opinion is disturbing

[Brietta]

If finding the body quickly was the intention, something must have gone very wrong. What could that have been, and what evidence points to it?

My opinion is that to suggest that finding the body was intended is one of the most ludicrous suggestions in the vast catalogue of such suggestions.  Faith would have to clarify that why that one might be a possibility.

I believe that it is usual in child abduction cases that perpetrators discard the victim's body without much concern about the whys or wherefores and wherever takes their fancy without much attempt at concealment.

Could the Smiths have been the emergency?  I don't think so.  Nor do I think there is any evidence suggesting an emergency of any kind.
In my opinion there is absolutely no evidence that Amaral's theory had any mileage in it.  What a tragedy it is that eleven years on he still pursues it.  Latterly keeping very quiet about it though.

[G-Unit]

I think  attacking the mccanns to support a certain opinion is disturbing

I agree, strangely. I probably don't agree with your definition of 'attacking' though.

[Brietta]

I think G-Unit and I were discussing the overall "tone" of the latest "60 questions".

Davel read it correctly.  When I was reading the posts I interpreted it as a discussion regarding the McCann family.
Goes to show how easily things can be misconstrued.

[G-Unit]

Davel read it correctly.  When I was reading the posts I interpreted it as a discussion regarding the McCann family.
Goes to show how easily things can be misconstrued.

Doesn't that mean you both misunderstood what was being discussed?