Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?

[Robittybob1]

Not with a small dinghy it wouldn't

It depends on whether Smithman is carrying a living girl or a dead child.  My thoughts today is from reports given by Silvia Batista (who had spent hours observing the McCanns, and hence the PJ are thinking in terms of a dead child. - because "Kate wanted a priest" [Not her exact words].)
Are you thinking the abductor would take her out into deeper water and drown her or just to dump her dead body?  That is possible.  What I was meaning was to  take a dinghy out to meet a larger boat that would abduct a child to another port very distant from PdL would be tricky on a windy night.
Like how would Madeleine get around to the Barcelona Marina by the 6th?  You won't get there by dinghy.

[Carana]

It depends on whether Smithman is carrying a living girl or a dead child.  My thought s today is from reports given by Silvia Batista (who had spent hour observing the McCanns the PJ are thinking in terms of a dead child. - because Kate wanted a priest.)
Are you thinking take her out into deeper water and drown her or just to dump her?  That is possible .  What I was meaning was to  take a dinghy out to meet a larger boat that would abduct a child to another port very distant from PdL.
Like how would Madeleine get around to the Barcelona Marina by the 6th?  You won't get there by dinghy.

I never quite understood the Barcelona saga. Some guy thought he heard a woman ask about a "daughter" and thought there might be a connection and reported it. At the time, online comments were that he might have misheard, i.e. that she might have said a "quarter" which is apparently slang for cocaine.

[Robittybob1]

What I don't understand is that something about it must have been in the public domain to precipitate Manuel Martins email to the Policia Judicairia dated 8th May 2007.

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I have followed the case in the press as I live in the Algarve. However my attention has been drawn by the news that an English citizen (George Burke) who returned to the village in the morning from Lagos and who says that he saw a couple with a child at about 06.00. Would this person not be suspicious due to being from the village and be returning 7 seven hours after the events? Please excuse my boldness and if I am bringing false accusations due to lack of information, I apologise again but feel that I have to share my preoccupation. I hope this does not make you lose time.
Good luck

Was sending the email prompted by anecdotal evidence?  Although the press is mentioned, was it reported at the time?  I don't recall seeing anything at the time and now so much 'old stuff' has been removed it is difficult to track what was and wasn't reported.

Did you have a link to this email?  I can only think "Manuel Martins " is not a witness but a concerned citizen who has heard the news (it was on the Sky Reort on the 5th)  and is pointing the finger back at George IMO.

[Eleanor]

It depends on whether Smithman is carrying a living girl or a dead child.  My thoughts today is from reports given by Silvia Batista (who had spent hours observing the McCanns, and hence the PJ are thinking in terms of a dead child. - because "Kate wanted a priest" [Not her exact words].)
Are you thinking the abductor would take her out into deeper water and drown her or just to dump her dead body?  That is possible.  What I was meaning was to  take a dinghy out to meet a larger boat that would abduct a child to another port very distant from PdL would be tricky on a windy night.
Like how would Madeleine get around to the Barcelona Marina by the 6th?  You won't get there by dinghy.

No.  I do not think that Madeleine is dead.

It would have been possible to take Madeleine by dinghy to a larger boat and then possibly to Barcelona, or even elsewhere.
A larger boat could have made it to Barcelona in the time.  Someone plotted the route aeons ago, and it was possible.

No, I don't have a cite, but this is just my opinion.

[Robittybob1]

No.  I do not think that Madeleine is dead.

It would have been possible to take Madeleine by dinghy to a larger boat and then possibly to Barcelona, or even elsewhere.
A larger boat could have made it to Barcelona in the time.  Someone plotted the route aeons ago, and it was possible.

No, I don't have a cite, but this is just my opinion.

OK so someone has said in the past it was possible to cover that distance.    Rather than planning a rendezvous it might have been easier just to go to a marina where boats are securely moored. 
Transferring kids off a dinghy would be tricky.  Would the person have to:
1.  take the dinghy ashore after the transfer or
2.  just leave the dinghy to drift? 

What is the option you choose there? Option 1 or 2?

[Brietta]

Did you have a link to this email?  I can only think "Manuel Martins " is not a witness but a concerned citizen who has heard the news (it was on the Sky Reort on the 5th)  and is pointing the finger back at George IMO.

5 -1 Apensos V, Vol  1 Page 4 to 5
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE_BURKE_BROOKS.htm

[Brietta]

OK so someone has said in the past it was possible to cover that distance.    Rather than planning a rendezvous it might have been easier just to go to a marina where boats are securely moored. 
Transferring kids off a dinghy would be tricky.  Would the person have to:
1.  take the dinghy ashore after the transfer or
2.  just leave the dinghy to drift? 

What is the option you choose there? Option 1 or 2?

Aren't dinghys tied up to the larger boat?

[Eleanor]

OK so someone has said in the past it was possible to cover that distance.    Rather than planning a rendezvous it might have been easier just to go to a marina where boats are securely moored. 
Transferring kids off a dinghy would be tricky.  Would the person have to:
1.  take the dinghy ashore after the transfer or
2.  just leave the dinghy to drift? 

What is the option you choose there? Option 1 or 2?

Option 3.  Haul the dinghy back on board.

Sea going vessels of quite limited size do carry dinghies you know.

[Eleanor]

Aren't dinghys tied up to the larger boat?

Some are.  Some are carried on board.

[Robittybob1]

Option 3.  Haul the dinghy back on board.

Sea going vessels of quite limited size do carry dinghies you know.

With option 3 are they using the same dinghy as they took with them?  Rather than taking a dinghy from the shore.
 

[Eleanor]

With option 3 are they using the same dinghy as they took with them?  Rather than taking a dinghy from the shore.
 

They are on the boat with the dinghy.  They go ashore in the dinghy to the beach and pick up Madeleine from the abductor.  They take Madeleine back to the boat in the dinghy.  They pull the dinghy back on board the boat.  They sail away or motor away.

How do you think sailing people do their shopping if there isn't a marina?

Whoops.  In my opinion.

[Robittybob1]

They are on the boat with the dinghy.  They go ashore in the dinghy to the beach and pick up Madeleine from the abductor.  They take Madeleine back to the boat in the dinghy.  They pull the dinghy back on board the boat.  They sail away or motor away.

How do you think sailing people do their shopping if there isn't a marina?

Whoops.  In my opinion.

Do they go fishing instead?

So they would need to keep in contact using cellphone communications. Either that or anchor up.  I have  feeling someone would have noticed this larger craft anchoring up.

[G-Unit]

Did you have a link to this email?  I can only think "Manuel Martins " is not a witness but a concerned citizen who has heard the news (it was on the Sky Reort on the 5th)  and is pointing the finger back at George IMO.

I think that is correct. So the PJ had an e-mail from a concerned citizen and they may or may not have had a statement from LP.

They had another 'continuation statement' from DC Markley. A friend of a friend of Kate's Aunt and Uncle had a vision that Madeleine was on a boat in Lagos Marina. This person set off to Portugal, visited the Marina and identified and photographed the 'Shearwater' as the boat in her vision.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BOATS_VISION.htm

[Eleanor]

Do they go fishing instead?

So they would need to keep in contact using cellphone communications. Either that or anchor up.  I have  feeling someone would have noticed this larger craft anchoring up.

You can't go fishing for fresh water.

Cell Phone or Ship to Shore.

It depends on how far off you are and if it's dark.  They could lay off and then come in closer once it is dark.

Now then, as for timing.  If the man Jane Tanner saw was the abductor/smithman then he could have contacted the boat to say he had got the child and then lurked around those back allies to give them the time they needed to get to the  beach to meet him. 

[Robittybob1]

You can't go fishing for fresh water.

Cell Phone or Ship to Shore.

It depends on how far off you are and if it's dark.  They could lay off and then come in closer once it is dark.

Now then, as for timing.  If the man Jane Tanner saw was the abductor/smithman then he could have contacted the boat to say he had got the child and then lurked around those back allies to give them the time they needed to get to the  beach to meet him.

You could have made a good crim.  They are all possible scenarios. all for the purpose of abducting a living girl.