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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #75 on: February 21, 2018, 06:37:02 AM »
The boat that attracts my attention is:http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BOATS.htm

439     Albufeira Riamar           PT   04/05/07               04/05/07               PT   

It does not have details of its destination or where  it leaves from and from Google images Riamar is a brand of boat so we don't have a registered name of it either. 
Photo below shows a launch capable of going right around to Barcelona in a couple of days (with passengers).
And it looks like the launch "Shearwater" at the Lagos Marina in the PJ and McCann blog photos.

Features:
Looks like Shearwater.  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BOATS_VISION.htm
Could have left from Lagos Marina
Could have gone to Barcelona
Capable of carrying passengers
Left on the 4th May 2007

Strange that they know when it left but its not recorded from where!
 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #76 on: February 21, 2018, 06:40:45 AM »
Riamar (Double click small image to get larger image.)

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #77 on: February 21, 2018, 06:48:51 AM »
And there was a boat like that left sitting around in the Algarve  https://algarve.boatshed.com/riamar_riamar_aveiro-boat-110266.html

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #78 on: February 21, 2018, 06:51:23 AM »
Brand of Riamar boats 
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #79 on: February 21, 2018, 08:02:46 AM »
Also that a boat was taken out of Lagos marina before the port gate were closed at IIRC 8pm.

It was moored in the kind of canal which links the Port and Marina to the Ocean.   Where ever it was going, it was on "stand by".

Possibly quite innocent but worth noting.
That is 8 PM on the 3rd of May.  Is that in the file? 
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Offline sadie

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #80 on: February 21, 2018, 09:39:57 AM »
That is 8 PM on the 3rd of May.  Is that in the file?
I don't know where I got it from now, Rob, but it was talked about in the months after Madeleine vanished.   Some in depth boat and Lagos harbour research was done by members of ' The 3 A's ' forum.  It is quite possible that i got it from there.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #81 on: February 21, 2018, 10:19:56 AM »
Castles in the air.

In My Opinion.
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Offline sadie

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2018, 11:11:33 AM »
Castles in the air.

In My Opinion.
Careful what you are saying slarti, because other people will remember it. 

I dont know if there are any on here that were reading about the analysis of the boats and Lagos harbour and port, (including on The 3A's) like I did, but some will remember.

Your comment might come back to bite you !

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2018, 11:17:25 AM »
Castles in the air.

In My Opinion.
Castles in the air. - visionary unattainable schemes; daydreams.

Well was that written because the identification of the "Shearwater" was based on a vision?   But what I noticed was that the person who had the vision was willing to go to the Lagos marina and identify a boat.  They put their money where their mouth was.  So they must have felt there was a value to that vision.   

But what was the chances the "abductors boat" still being in the Marina?  Not great in my opinion.  So it becomes a matter of identifying all the boat movements accurately.

It was another 2 years before the importance of the Barcelona Marina became known.

Had it been impossible to get from Lagos to Barcelona in 3 days then it would start to crumble.
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Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #84 on: February 21, 2018, 11:23:28 AM »
Also that a boat was taken out of Lagos marina before the port gate were closed at IIRC 8pm.

It was moored in the kind of canal which links the Port and Marina to the Ocean.   Where ever it was going, it was on "stand by".

Possibly quite innocent but worth noting.
Does that port gate show up on Google Earth?

I see a walkway across the channel but no gate as such.   
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Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2018, 11:43:16 AM »

From that photo if the swing bridge was down at night yachts would be prevented from leaving but launches could still go under it with ease.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2018, 11:53:28 AM »
Castles in the air. - visionary unattainable schemes; daydreams.

Well was that written because the identification of the "Shearwater" was based on a vision?   But what I noticed was that the person who had the vision was willing to go to the Lagos marina and identify a boat.  They put their money where their mouth was.  So they must have felt there was a value to that vision.   

But what was the chances the "abductors boat" still being in the Marina?  Not great in my opinion.  So it becomes a matter of identifying all the boat movements accurately.

It was another 2 years before the importance of the Barcelona Marina became important.

Had it been impossible to get from Lagos to Barcelona in 3 days then it would start to crumble.

The Barcelona Marina became important how? Some man told the McCann's detectives about a woman he saw in Barcelona and produced an e-fit. It took him two years to decide to come forward. Dave Edgar released the e-fit during a press conference without making any inquiries at all to verify the story.

The story was, in my opinion, part of the 'awareness campaign' rather than a serious sighting.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2018, 12:07:00 PM »
The Barcelona Marina became important how? Some man told the McCann's detectives about a woman he saw in Barcelona and produced an e-fit. It took him two years to decide to come forward. Dave Edgar released the e-fit during a press conference without making any inquiries at all to verify the story.

The story was, in my opinion, part of the 'awareness campaign' rather than a serious sighting.
I can't think of another press conference where the McCanns are more excited by a lead, hence I call it "important".
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Offline Brietta

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2018, 12:09:41 PM »
The Barcelona Marina became important how? Some man told the McCann's detectives about a woman he saw in Barcelona and produced an e-fit. It took him two years to decide to come forward. Dave Edgar released the e-fit during a press conference without making any inquiries at all to verify the story.

The story was, in my opinion, part of the 'awareness campaign' rather than a serious sighting.

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Offline sadie

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2018, 12:20:21 PM »

From that photo if the swing bridge was down at night yachts would be prevented from leaving but launches could still go under it with ease.
It doesn't look like a gate does it?   Maybe it is a mix up with translation?  Both gate and door translate as porte or portas IIRC.

I think everthing except ocean going big ships could get under there, cos (am I right?) even large yachts can fold their mast down, can't they ?

I dont remember seeing that bridge, but it wouldn't be very noticable except when the bridge was lifted .... just another bridge at other times !


If there is anything in this report that a boat was moored on the Ocean side of the erm gate and if this boat was used to carry madeleine, then as far as i can see the only purpose for mooring it there was .... for a quiet, quick get away as needed.

Personally I find it unlikely that Madeleine would be taken there and more or less dragged for a distance on to that boat.


More likely IMO that she would have been picked up via dinghy and transferred aboard a big boat before sailing off to Barcelona, or Sines maybe.  Probably picked up from that rocky beach with tunnel, cos Smithman was heading that way at the Smiths sighting

Only my thoughts, other thoughts are perfectly valid.  do present them