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Offline sadie

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #105 on: February 22, 2018, 12:06:30 PM »
The McCann's immediate reaction was to demand the closure of roads, borders, ports and airports. As early as July 2007, however, it was to the shore of PdL to what had become 'her' rocks where Kate went when she wanted to feel close to her daughter.
'Demand' ?  Where did they demand? 

Maybe they requested, maybe they urged but never did I see them demand

Offline sadie

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #106 on: February 22, 2018, 12:14:26 PM »
The McCann's immediate reaction was to demand the closure of roads, borders, ports and airports. As early as July 2007, however, it was to the shore of PdL to what had become 'her' rocks where Kate went when she wanted to feel close to her daughter.
I have been there and understand where Kate was coming from. 

When I lost my son, all I wanted to do was sit in a calm place, away from intrusions and people, near to the natural elements.   I didn't have the sea to comfort me, but watching the clouds and the bees, butterflies and birds, whilst I went over things in my mind, helped me

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #107 on: February 22, 2018, 12:16:32 PM »
I've travelled at night on a34 ft sailing yacht.. With lights and charts... It's part of basic sailing
On the type of boat I chose as a lookalike to the images of the "Shearwater", I didn't see any lights on the boat.  OK correction there are port and starboard lights and a white light on the cabin.  Not good enough for travelling IMO.


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Offline Eleanor

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2018, 03:01:25 PM »
On the type of boat I chose as a lookalike to the images of the "Shearwater", I didn't see any lights on the boat.  OK correction there are port and starboard lights and a white light on the cabin.  Not good enough for travelling IMO.

What do you think people do with these boats?  Muck about in Ponds?  Or sit around in Marinas?

They have to be sea going to get to foreign Marinas in the first place.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #109 on: February 22, 2018, 06:16:56 PM »
What do you think people do with these boats?  Muck about in Ponds?  Or sit around in Marinas?

They have to be sea going to get to foreign Marinas in the first place.
To race around at 20 knots at night would need special equipment.  Travelling in the daytime in calm to moderate weather should not have been a problem.
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Offline John

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #110 on: February 22, 2018, 06:25:06 PM »
What do you think people do with these boats?  Muck about in Ponds?  Or sit around in Marinas?

They have to be sea going to get to foreign Marinas in the first place.

Absolutely and every one is checked by customs or the port authorities on arrival and departure.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #111 on: February 22, 2018, 06:30:22 PM »
Absolutely and every one is checked by customs or the port authorities on arrival and departure.
There are many small marinas along the coast there won't be customs at each of those.
Karen Sisson pointed out there was a marina at Cabopino. 

Her words from yesterday "Hi well, first thoughts, Shearwater seems to be a brand of boat as well as an individual, could it have been a different boat. It is interesting to see that the police followed up a dream lead. I thought they dismissed such leads. As to whether such a boat could do the journey I'm no sailer but I would have thought so yes. Just to say there is a marina at Cabopino too. Puerto Cabopino.

I looked it up on Google Earth and there didn't appear to be controls.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #112 on: February 22, 2018, 06:34:28 PM »
There are many small marinas along the coast there won't be customs at each of those.

Just nipping up the coast a bit.  And then do a runner.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #113 on: February 22, 2018, 07:21:32 PM »
Just nipping up the coast a bit.  And then do a runner.
The records weren't comprehensive, that is for sure.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #114 on: February 22, 2018, 07:50:57 PM »
Column headings

"Page    Port      Boat            Flag  In         From        Out      To           Crew & dockets"

record for Riamar
"439     Albufeira Riamar           PT   04/05/07               04/05/07               PT

Nothing under the heading "from" and "To"
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #115 on: February 22, 2018, 08:19:20 PM »
In the document about the vision of the boat why did the PJ or the McCanns think it was the Marina at Lagos?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BOATS_VISION.htm

Was it because of the Brooks sighting on the morning of the 4th near the Lagos marina? 

The information from the family. 

Why do they go to Lagos?

"I spoke to Kate McCann on Tuesday 8th of May 07. She told me that a friend of her Aunt & Uncle from Leicester had a friend that had a strong vision that Madeleine was on a boat with a man in the Marina in Logos. "  Did the vision specify the marina at Lagos?
Where is this other Marina? Albufeira - 60 odd KM away. to the East.


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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #116 on: February 22, 2018, 08:41:56 PM »
Where it says "I spoke to Kate today and she has given me photographs of the boat. She has also given me photographs of a man who has been on the boat. This is not the man the woman had in her vision."  do you think Kate went with these persons to the Marina?  Or did Kate hand to the police photos that the people, who followed up on the vision, gave to Kate?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BOATS_VISION.htm
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #117 on: February 22, 2018, 09:16:01 PM »
Where it says "I spoke to Kate today and she has given me photographs of the boat. She has also given me photographs of a man who has been on the boat. This is not the man the woman had in her vision."  do you think Kate went with these persons to the Marina?  Or did Kate hand to the police photos that the people, who followed up on the vision, gave to Kate?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BOATS_VISION.htm

No-one says, but Kate may be referring to this vision in her book. Her Aunt was very religious so it's possible that the Lagos incident was related to prayer;

There were a couple of ‘visionary’ experiences in particular I took very seriously. One of them had come through prayer which, at the time, gave it even greater credibility in my eyes. I begged the police to look into these. They were very sceptical, to put it mildly. [madeleine]
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #118 on: February 22, 2018, 09:49:26 PM »
Absolutely and every one is checked by customs or the port authorities on arrival and departure.

It is all strictly regulated by maritime law...................................except at 37.0909° N, 8.7591° W.
where International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea seemingly has never been heard of and even if it has it does not apply  (&^&
Chapter V – Safety of navigation
This chapter requires governments to ensure that all vessels are sufficiently and efficiently manned from a safety point of view. It places requirements on all vessels regarding voyage and passage planning, expecting a careful assessment of any proposed voyages by all who put to sea. Every mariner must take account of all potential dangers to navigation, weather forecasts, tidal predictions, the competence of the crew, and all other relevant factors. It also adds an obligation for all vessels' masters to offer assistance to those in distress and controls the use of lifesaving signals with specific requirements regarding danger and distress messages. It is different from the other chapters, which apply to certain classes of commercial shipping, in that these requirements apply to all vessels and their crews, including yachts and private craft, on all voyages and trips including local ones.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #119 on: February 22, 2018, 09:53:34 PM »
No-one says, but Kate may be referring to this vision in her book. Her Aunt was very religious so it's possible that the Lagos incident was related to prayer;

There were a couple of ‘visionary’ experiences in particular I took very seriously. One of them had come through prayer which, at the time, gave it even greater credibility in my eyes. I begged the police to look into these. They were very sceptical, to put it mildly. [madeleine]
I have had experience of visions following prayer and they can be very confusing.  If there was a mention of the marina's name was it said in a sentence or was it in writing e.g.vision of a sign post?  I could imagine the vision being in Portuguese and the English speaking person having no way of remembering it, but may have remembered the aspect of the Marina and the shape of the boat.    I would be most impressed of a vision that said "Shearwater" and "Marina da Lagos" especially if that person had not studied a map of the Algarve or had never been there before. 
So in the end it could be any marina close by and any boat with a cabin?.  In fact we can't be sure which craft is being featured in the photos.  The photo on the McCann Blogs was different to all the ones on the PJ site so I wonder if Kate held some photos back for herself.
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