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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #120 on: February 22, 2018, 10:00:10 PM »
It is all strictly regulated by maritime law...................................except at 37.0909° N, 8.7591° W.
where International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea seemingly has never been heard of and even if it has it does not apply  (&^&
Chapter V – Safety of navigation
This chapter requires governments to ensure that all vessels are sufficiently and efficiently manned from a safety point of view. It places requirements on all vessels regarding voyage and passage planning, expecting a careful assessment of any proposed voyages by all who put to sea. Every mariner must take account of all potential dangers to navigation, weather forecasts, tidal predictions, the competence of the crew, and all other relevant factors. It also adds an obligation for all vessels' masters to offer assistance to those in distress and controls the use of lifesaving signals with specific requirements regarding danger and distress messages. It is different from the other chapters, which apply to certain classes of commercial shipping, in that these requirements apply to all vessels and their crews, including yachts and private craft, on all voyages and trips including local ones.
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You can write a law like that quite easily and I agree it gives good advice but how is it going to be enforced?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #121 on: February 25, 2018, 08:16:23 PM »

"PIZZA REAL" was where Amy Brooks, daughter of George Burke Brooks, previously worked.  I was surprised that the date of this follow-up was in 2008/04/24 nearly a year after the sighting.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm

"4201 to 4202-Service information re: Wright's suspect statement George Brooks
TRANSLATION BY ALBYM

16-Processos Volume 16 Pages 4201 to 4202
16_VOLUMEXVIa_Page_4201
 
16_VOLUMEXVIa_Page_4202
 
SERVICE INFORMATION

To: Paulo Rebelo

From: Ricardo Paiva, Inspector

Date: 2008/04/24

Re: Various Activities Regarding the Investigation NUIPC 201/07.0GALGS

Regarding the content of the attached email from British Authorities, with particular focus with respect to the statement by Michael Terrence Wright, in the international letter of request which is being implemented by the Leicestershire Police, on the 6th of May, 2007, in Praia da Luz, a pizza kitchen worker, of British nationality and originally from Liverpool, commented to that witness that her father, George, had seen a man carrying a child, in the early hours of May 4th of 2007. He does not know if George contacted the authorities about this. This testimony was recorded by Inspector Joao Carlos and myself as follows:

--Yesterday, after heading toward Praia da Luz late, we located the pizzeria shop (PIZZA REAL) mentioned by that witness. It is situated in a kiosk on Rua da Praia. Even though it was closed at the time, we obtained the telephone number ********* of said pizzeria which is open from 18H00. This same night, we contacted the manager, C*******, using that telephone number and she immediately identified the employee as Amy. She told us that Amy was no longer in Portugal and that she had returned to the U.K. She was requested to contact Amy and ask her to contact this police force.

--Today, at 11.37, the signatory received a telephone call from *******, from a woman who identified herself as J***, mother of Amy, and who told me that as soon as possible, George, her husband, and Amy's father, would contact us. Around 17H16, we were contacted by George, Amy's father, from telephone no. *********. Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,
Ricardo Paiva"
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #122 on: February 25, 2018, 08:27:17 PM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SERVICE_INFORMATION.htm

"4201 to 4202-Service information re: Wright's suspect statement George Brooks
TRANSLATION BY ALBYM

16-Processos Volume 16 Pages 4201 to 4202
16_VOLUMEXVIa_Page_4201
 
16_VOLUMEXVIa_Page_4202
 
SERVICE INFORMATION

To: Paulo Rebelo

From: Ricardo Paiva, Inspector

Date: 2008/04/24

Re: Various Activities Regarding the Investigation NUIPC 201/07.0GALGS

Regarding the content of the attached email from British Authorities, with particular focus with respect to the statement by Michael Terrence Wright, in the international letter of request which is being implemented by the Leicestershire Police, on the 6th of May, 2007, in Praia da Luz, a pizza kitchen worker, of British nationality and originally from Liverpool, commented to that witness that her father, George, had seen a man carrying a child, in the early hours of May 4th of 2007. He does not know if George contacted the authorities about this. This testimony was recorded by Inspector Joao Carlos and myself as follows:

--Yesterday, after heading toward Praia da Luz late, we located the pizzeria shop (PIZZA REAL) mentioned by that witness. It is situated in a kiosk on Rua da Praia. Even though it was closed at the time, we obtained the telephone number ********* of said pizzeria which is open from 18H00. This same night, we contacted the manager, C*******, using that telephone number and she immediately identified the employee as Amy. She told us that Amy was no longer in Portugal and that she had returned to the U.K. She was requested to contact Amy and ask her to contact this police force.

--Today, at 11.37, the signatory received a telephone call from *******, from a woman who identified herself as J***, mother of Amy, and who told me that as soon as possible, George, her husband, and Amy's father, would contact us. Around 17H16, we were contacted by George, Amy's father, from telephone no. *********. Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,
Ricardo Paiva"

Robitty, could you put at least a short sentence before your cut&paste so we know what point they are illuminating.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #123 on: February 25, 2018, 08:37:24 PM »
Robitty, could you put at least a short sentence before your cut&paste so we know what point they are illuminating.
OK I copied and pasted that document as it was about the sighting of a man and woman with a girl on the morning of the 4th.  I know we had discussed this in this thread but I want to double check if we had already mentioned this file. 
I have just completed 2 searches of the UK Justice site and the term "PIZZA REAL" had never appeared before so I have a feeling it was a new find.
"PIZZA REAL" was where Amy Brooks previously worked.  I was surprised that the date of this follow-up was in 2008/04/24 nearly a year after the sighting.  They certainly make it hard for  themselves IMO.

To be really certain it was new I'd have to refresh the whole thread.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #124 on: February 25, 2018, 09:35:43 PM »
You can write a law like that quite easily and I agree it gives good advice but how is it going to be enforced?

Rule one:  Serious nasty types do not hide their identities or run unecessary risks.
They hide their intentions.
If your argument is seriious then on that basis no laws are worthwhile.
Maritime law and regulation is a bit more comples
Check out radar.
Edit: Removed personal comment.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2018, 11:27:53 PM by Robittybob1 »
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #125 on: February 25, 2018, 11:04:42 PM »
So was smithman taking MBM to a boat?
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #126 on: February 25, 2018, 11:14:01 PM »
I don't like you using the terms "your narrow minded view".  That felt personal. If you fix it up I'll let the post remain otherwise it will go.
I said what I meant and vice versa.
If it offends you that much then whoosh it.
I still said it and I still think it. Burning the book will not materially affect that view point.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #127 on: February 25, 2018, 11:30:17 PM »
So was smithman taking MBM to a boat?
He could have been taking her to someone who had a boat.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #128 on: February 26, 2018, 10:38:21 PM »
That was interesting George Burke Brooks was being discussed on another forum albeit a few days earlier
Some good references to cross check to see if any new information surfaces.  I feel I have covered these.
If Yvonne Martin is quoted correctly it would be odd to think Kate knew the day after that a couple had abducted Madeleine.  Could George have gone straight around to the McCanns and told them of his sighting that morning?

PS:  If it was on Sky News on the 5th would the McCanns have been informed prior to that?  You would think so and the LP or the PJ as well.  [I'm finding writing this incredible that it was considered not relevant by the PJ immediately, yet a year later they try and look into it again.]



" George Burke???
Post by **** on Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:33 pm

Yvonne Martin reported an interesting comment made by Kate McCann on the morning of 4th May;/

During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

On the following day (5th) Sky news, the Mail and the Sun carried a report by a certain George Burke saying he had seen a couple with a child heading for the Marina in Lagos at 6am on 4th.

In November 2007 the story re-emerged because, apparently, Metodo 3 had decided to look at it.

In August 2008 it hit the headlines again, but his name is now George Brooks as in the PJ Files, but is it the same man?
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id399.htm

Is it a coincidence that Kate mentioned a couple and then this man's story appeared? There was also the 'vision' about Lagos Marina by someone connected to Kate.

The man was supposed to live in Burgau. What interests me is that most of the people in the area can be found using google. I can find no record of a George Burke or a George Brooks however. Has anyone else ever checked him out?"
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Offline Lace

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #129 on: February 27, 2018, 04:13:30 PM »
He could have been taking her to someone who had a boat.

He could have Rob. 

Offline John

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #130 on: March 01, 2018, 12:30:02 AM »
Topic please.  I believe it has something to do with a boat.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline misty

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #131 on: March 01, 2018, 12:52:04 AM »
That was interesting George Burke Brooks was being discussed on another forum albeit a few days earlier
Some good references to cross check to see if any new information surfaces.  I feel I have covered these.
If Yvonne Martin is quoted correctly it would be odd to think Kate knew the day after that a couple had abducted Madeleine.  Could George have gone straight around to the McCanns and told them of his sighting that morning?

PS:  If it was on Sky News on the 5th would the McCanns have been informed prior to that?  You would think so and the LP or the PJ as well.  [I'm finding writing this incredible that it was considered not relevant by the PJ immediately, yet a year later they try and look into it again.]



" George Burke???
Post by **** on Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:33 pm

Yvonne Martin reported an interesting comment made by Kate McCann on the morning of 4th May;/

During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

On the following day (5th) Sky news, the Mail and the Sun carried a report by a certain George Burke saying he had seen a couple with a child heading for the Marina in Lagos at 6am on 4th.

In November 2007 the story re-emerged because, apparently, Metodo 3 had decided to look at it.

In August 2008 it hit the headlines again, but his name is now George Brooks as in the PJ Files, but is it the same man?
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id399.htm

Is it a coincidence that Kate mentioned a couple and then this man's story appeared? There was also the 'vision' about Lagos Marina by someone connected to Kate.

The man was supposed to live in Burgau. What interests me is that most of the people in the area can be found using google. I can find no record of a George Burke or a George Brooks however. Has anyone else ever checked him out?"
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAEL_WRIGHT.htm (McCann family relative by marriage?
snipped
"As for additional information I would like to add that on Sunday, 6 May I went to the pizzaria in PdL and bought a large quantity of pizzas. I was attended by a girl from Liverpool. I explained to her my relationship to the McCanns and she told me that her father 'George' had seen a man carrying a child in his arms in the early morning of 4 May in the resort. I asked her if her father had spoken about this to the Portuguese authorities. I don't know if the information was ever investigated."

See George Burke Brooks Statement  (http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE_BURKE_BROOKS.htm)

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #132 on: March 01, 2018, 01:25:23 AM »
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAEL_WRIGHT.htm (McCann family relative by marriage?
snipped
"As for additional information I would like to add that on Sunday, 6 May I went to the pizzaria in PdL and bought a large quantity of pizzas. I was attended by a girl from Liverpool. I explained to her my relationship to the McCanns and she told me that her father 'George' had seen a man carrying a child in his arms in the early morning of 4 May in the resort. I asked her if her father had spoken about this to the Portuguese authorities. I don't know if the information was ever investigated."

See George Burke Brooks Statement  (http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE_BURKE_BROOKS.htm)
they call that George Brooks statement but where are his words.  I don't get it really.
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Offline John

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #133 on: March 01, 2018, 02:24:56 AM »
they call that George Brooks statement but where are his words.  I don't get it really.

Just correspondence.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #134 on: March 01, 2018, 07:31:42 AM »
Just correspondence.
Was George Brooks ever spoken to?  I'll have to go back to the start of this thread and see what the story was.
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