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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #180 on: March 03, 2018, 06:24:37 PM »
I can see no harm in this, so long as it is done very sensitively, backing off immediately if he bridles in any way.

It needs someone who is very diplomatic in their approach ... and who knows, he might have been instructed not to talk to anyone.


Thinking about it, I am 50/50 about approaching him
The biggest problem will be getting a lead as to where he is.  The PJ couldn't work it out 11 years ago, and I have my doubts now.  We don't even know his proper name.
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Offline jassi

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #181 on: March 03, 2018, 06:28:38 PM »
The biggest problem will be getting a lead as to where he is.  The PJ couldn't work it out 11 years ago, and I have my doubts now. We don't even know his proper name.

Perhaps a nom de plume, or "The man that never was"
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #182 on: March 03, 2018, 06:43:23 PM »
Perhaps a nom de plume, or "The man that never was"
Len Port seems to be a man of talent would he still be around - if anyone knows it would be Len.
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Offline misty

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #183 on: March 03, 2018, 07:09:30 PM »
Len Port seems to be a man of talent would he still be around - if anyone knows it would be Len.

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #184 on: March 03, 2018, 07:33:34 PM »
Did you miss this page?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A1_5/apenso5_vol_1_Page6.jpg
I had seen his image but not the whole photo of the passport.  27 November 1945, 8 years plus, not a good age for guys especially if he had eaten too many pizzas.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #185 on: March 03, 2018, 07:46:44 PM »
Did you miss this page?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/ap/A1_5/apenso5_vol_1_Page6.jpg

That is George Brooks. The man who spoke to the press was George Burke. Are they two different men or the same man giving a false name?

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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #186 on: March 03, 2018, 07:55:40 PM »
That is George Brooks. The man who spoke to the press was George Burke. Are they two different men or the same man giving a false name?
Did the PJ actually speak to him, before they discounted his sighting?
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Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #187 on: March 03, 2018, 08:06:45 PM »
Did the PJ actually speak to him, before they discounted his sighting?

I don't know what you mean.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #188 on: March 03, 2018, 08:14:14 PM »
I don't know what you mean.
'Did the PJ speak to the person who made the sighting at the marina at 6:00 AM?  Regardless of his name.
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Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #189 on: March 03, 2018, 08:50:56 PM »
'Did the PJ speak to the person who made the sighting at the marina at 6:00 AM?  Regardless of his name.

A man identifying himself as George, Amy's father, rang them on 24/04/2008.

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Offline jassi

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #190 on: March 03, 2018, 08:59:01 PM »
Where does Amy fit into the story?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #191 on: March 03, 2018, 09:03:43 PM »
A man identifying himself as George, Amy's father, rang them on 24/04/2008.
A year later!  OK
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #192 on: March 03, 2018, 09:18:50 PM »
Where does Amy fit into the story?
As I understand it George lived in Burgau and he had two teenage kids. Amy was his daughter, and the son (unknown).  It was endevouring getting the son onto the train at the marina that was the reason he went to the Marina da Lagos.  It was on the way home from doing that that he saw the couple with the child.

Some days later Michael Wright spoke to Amy who was working at Pizza Real in PdL and she said it was her father who made the sighting on the 4th.

This is what the PJ say:

"Regarding the content of the attached email from British Authorities, with particular focus with respect to the statement by Michael Terrence Wright, in the international letter of request which is being implemented by the Leicestershire Police, on the 6th of May, 2007, in Praia da Luz, a pizza kitchen worker, of British nationality and originally from Liverpool, commented to that witness that her father, George, had seen a man carrying a child, in the early hours of May 4th of 2007. He does not know if George contacted the authorities about this. This testimony was recorded by Inspector Joao Carlos and myself as follows:

--Yesterday, after heading toward Praia da Luz late, we located the pizzeria shop (PIZZA REAL) mentioned by that witness. It is situated in a kiosk on Rua da Praia. Even though it was closed at the time, we obtained the telephone number ********* of said pizzeria which is open from 18H00. This same night, we contacted the manager, C*******, using that telephone number and she immediately identified the employee as Amy. She told us that Amy was no longer in Portugal and that she had returned to the U.K. She was requested to contact Amy and ask her to contact this police force.

--Today, at 11.37, the signatory received a telephone call from *******, from a woman who identified herself as J***, mother of Amy, and who told me that as soon as possible, George, her husband, and Amy's father, would contact us. Around 17H16, we were contacted by George, Amy's father, from telephone no. *********. Regarding the facts in question, he states that he had already contacted the OH in May of 2007 and at this time relayed to the police that at around 06H00 in the morning on the 4th May, 2007, he saw a couple passing the Marina de Lagos. The man was carrying the child. It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation.
Signed,
Ricardo Paiva"  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GEORGE_BURKE_BROOKS.htm

What does Michael Wright say in his statement?

The bit "As for additional information I would like to add that on Sunday, 6 May I went to the pizzaria in PdL and bought a large quantity of pizzas. I was attended by a girl from Liverpool. I explained to her my relationship to the McCanns and she told me that her father 'George' had seen a man carrying a child in his arms in the early morning of 4 May in the resort. I asked her if her father had spoken about this to the Portuguese authorities. I don't know if the information was ever investigated."  [Even though this seems to be a link added to his statement by the translators of the file.  I believe the text forms part of his rogatory interview.] http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MICHAEL_WRIGHT.htm


I still dispute the claim the George said the following: "It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation".

http://www.burgauuncovered.com/

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Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #193 on: March 04, 2018, 07:09:03 AM »
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I still dispute the claim the George said the following: "It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation".

http://www.burgauuncovered.com/
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You are saying that Paiva added that sentence, but it doesn't make sense. If Paiva knew that the sighting had been ruled out in May 2007, why bother looking for Burke in April 2008?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Could Madeleine have been abducted by boat?
« Reply #194 on: March 04, 2018, 07:44:49 AM »
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I still dispute the claim the George said the following: "It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation".

http://www.burgauuncovered.com/


You are saying that Paiva added that sentence, but it doesn't make sense. If Paiva knew that the sighting had been ruled out in May 2007, why bother looking for Burke in April 2008?
This could account for it.  I take it that Paiva is not a Coordinating Inspector so he is under orders.  He could have been told to revisit the George Burke Brooks case.  He covers the inaction by saying "It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation".
I can't see how the informant becomes so up with the case that he could say about the sighting he made "It was ascertained at that time that the aforementioned situation would not be of interest to the investigation".
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