Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?

[Mr Gray]

It's normal practice for doctors to attend injured people.. Is it
Normal practice for social workers, to turn up uninvited, at crime scenes, and, start asking questions... Interfering busybody

[Brietta]

Brietta, the "anonymous letter" may have been nothing more than a statement made via Crimestoppers.

In the context of the immediate breaking news, however heavy-handed her approach may seem (to me as well), she may well have thought that she was doing the right thing to help locate the missing child as fast as possible.

You always see the best in people, Carana.

She claims to have written anonymously to the police with the intention of having David Payne's status checked.

Snip
She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether David Payne was on that list.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

In my opinion this would have had the result of police enquiries having to be made with the resultant record of it leaving a paper trail.

[jassi]

You always see the best in people, Carana.

She claims to have written anonymously to the police with the intention of having David Payne's status checked.

Snip
She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether David Payne was on that list.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

In my opinion this would have had the result of police enquiries having to be made with the resultant record of it leaving a paper trail.

You give the impression that this is a problem. Why should this be?

[kizzy]

It's normal practice for doctors to attend injured people.. Is it
Normal practice for social workers, to turn up uninvited, at crime scenes, and, start asking questions.

So you keep saying, imo good job everyone's not like you, were children are concerned.

[Brietta]

This incredibly arrogant busy body gained access to a distraught woman with her husband and friends by her side, proceeded to question her intimately causing her further trauma as she struggled to get away from her.


This incredibly arrogant busy body was employed in child protection, showed her credentionals, something you don't have.

It is only your opinion, she met them first hand, and thought them involved,

IMO is it that you are so outraged about, and not the person

Who allocated a casework file to Ms Martin ... bearing in mind there wasn't one.

Who authorised her intervention at any level?  Who authorised her staff interrogation regarding the crime scene?

In my opinion the woman overstepped the bounds of decency and what is expected in the way of professional behaviour.

For example, had there been an off duty British detective on holiday who had behaved as she did, what do you think the reaction would have been?

Intruding to interrogate witnesses ... primarily the missing child's mother?
Interrogating witnesses as to the state of the crime scene?

Would waving a warrant card have cut the mustard with the Portuguese.  According to your argument ... as a professional that would have been fine.  Aye right!!

[Miss Taken Identity]

It's normal practice for doctors to attend injured people.. Is it
Normal practice for social workers, to turn up uninvited, at crime scenes, and, start asking questions... Interfering busybody

I must admit I am quite perplexed as to why she should be singled out as a busybody? I mean anyone who asks questions of the McCanns are seen as trolls, busybodies,nasty people. When the police were asking questions they were Fking w.......s... tweedle dee and tweedle dumb etc, Amaral was singled out as well because he didn't believe their 'time line' and 'story about shutters', police and EVERYONE,also accused of not searching for their daughter [great fake news story] And yet uncomfortable as those questions may be at a time of stress, I can see no reason for them not to answer them I mean they have NOTHING to hide right? Well apart from the fact they left their children alone every night and one seems to have disappeared in mysterious circumstances.

She felt she had cause to write that letter thinking only about the missing child because that is why they are called CHILD protection- not families reputation damage limitation protection officers.

It would appear DP was a name familiar to her at some point in her career- no harm in checking if it was the SAME DP.  Poor Maddie her parents feelings took precedence over hers/shocking beyond belief.

[Brietta]

Maybe that hits the nail on the head ?

Peut-être.
So perhaps you will be kind enough to inform the forum of what I may have missed.

[kizzy]

Who allocated a casework file to Ms Martin ... bearing in mind there wasn't one.

Who authorised her intervention at any level?  Who authorised her staff interrogation regarding the crime scene?

In my opinion the woman overstepped the bounds of decency and what is expected in the way of professional behaviour.

For example, had there been an off duty British detective on holiday who had behaved as she did, what do you think the reaction would have been?

Intruding to interrogate witnesses ... primarily the missing child's mother?
Interrogating witnesses as to the state of the crime scene?

Would waving a warrant card have cut the mustard with the Portuguese.  According to your argument ... as a professional that would have been fine.  Aye right!!

IMO you wouldnt give a fig, if she had declared the mccanns as being innocent.

What did the mccanns expect, they left babies on there own, and one goes missing, and expect no interference from some who was obviously concerned at what they had done.

They thought it fit to do, so there for should not be worried on any interference.

If they thought what they had done was right.


its biggest wonder they didnt sue her.

[Miss Taken Identity]

IMO you wouldnt give a fig, if she had declared the mccanns as being innocent.

What did the mccanns expect, they left babies on there own, and one goes missing, and expect no interference from some who was obviously concerned at what they had done.

They thought it fit to do, so there for should not be worried on any interference.

If they thought what they had done was right.


its biggest wonder they didnt sue her.

They can't sue her as they know full well it is a  child protection officers job to protect a child and report if they suspect anything. Another one who is concerned is writtenoff by McCann supporters.  quite a list they have there hmmm.


It is also a NHS policy to report anything any member of suspect regarding child welfare this isn't just about sexual abuse it is about emotional, physical, and starvation on the increase is  child slavery open to ALL sorts of abuse.

All the tapas being doctors would know this they get training of look out for signs!

[Carana]

You always see the best in people, Carana.

She claims to have written anonymously to the police with the intention of having David Payne's status checked.

Snip
She declares that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers and whether David Payne was on that list.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm

In my opinion this would have had the result of police enquiries having to be made with the resultant record of it leaving a paper trail.

That's kind... but, no, I try to stand back and take context into consideration, as I find it important to try to understand.

A submission to Crimestoppers to check on DP wouldn't surprise me at all, in fact.

If I thought that I had experience or expertise that was unlikely to come fron any other source in the immediate aftermath of breaking news within a driving distance... I can't honestly say what I'd have done to try to help locate Madeleine before it was possibly too late. And we all react differently.

I'd find it very surprising if the UK hadn't thought to check on any previous criminal history (suspected or otherwise) within the immediate vicinity of her disappearance, particularly in view of the mantra of "clearing the ground under one's feet" and knowledge of various predators potentially being in the vicinity at the time.

There were two people (whom even I was able to find), who, unfortunately, have the same name, but neither could have been him.

Normally, her suspicions shouldn't have been made public, unless it had been checked out and considered worthy of bringing up in a criminnal court case.

[Alice Purjorick]

Peut-être.
So perhaps you will be kind enough to inform the forum of what I may have missed.

There are over 700 statutory instruments.
Your post suggests you are familiar with all of them.
I find that not only improbable but unnecessarily boashut upl.
I'll leave the forum to decide what is probable and what  isn't.

[Brietta]

IMO you wouldnt give a fig, if she had declared the mccanns as being innocent.

What did the mccanns expect, they left babies on there own, and one goes missing, and expect no interference from some who was obviously concerned at what they had done.

They thought it fit to do, so there for should not be worried on any interference.

If they thought what they had done was right.


its biggest wonder they didnt sue her.

Just as there would be no expectation of unwarranted interference from an off duty British police officer ... there would be no expectation of unwarranted interference from any other professional whatever their discipline.

Worth bearing in mind that "fools rush in where angels fear to tread."

[Carana]

They can't sue her as they know full well it is a  child protection officers job to protect a child and report if they suspect anything. Another one who is concerned is writtenoff by McCann supporters.  quite a list they have there hmmm.


It is also a NHS policy to report anything any member of suspect regarding child welfare this isn't just about sexual abuse it is about emotional, physical, and starvation on the increase is  child slavery open to ALL sorts of abuse.

All the tapas being doctors would know this they get training of look out for signs!

This lady was was not on NHS work duty at the time - she was apparently on holiday in a foreign country.

There is nothing official about her intervention, unless you've found something to that effect.

[Brietta]

They can't sue her as they know full well it is a  child protection officers job to protect a child and report if they suspect anything. Another one who is concerned is writtenoff by McCann supporters.  quite a list they have there hmmm.


It is also a NHS policy to report anything any member of suspect regarding child welfare this isn't just about sexual abuse it is about emotional, physical, and starvation on the increase is  child slavery open to ALL sorts of abuse.

All the tapas being doctors would know this they get training of look out for signs!

Why on earth would they wish to think of suing an irrelevance? 

[Brietta]

There are over 700 statutory instruments.
Your post suggests you are familiar with all of them.
I find that not only improbable but unnecessarily boashut upl.
I'll leave the forum to decide what is probable and what is isn't.

I think the forum may well have already decided along the usual partisan lines ... says she boashut uplly??  Oh well, it's a new one at least, makes a change I suppose.