Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?

[Brietta]

Has anyone nailed a time as to when the video of them getting into the police car to go to Portimão was taken?

Mr Clarke's piece seems very short on accuracy and high on emotion.

It would be interesting to see how he reported it at the time.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think the whole scenario is totally surreal from start to finish.

I rather think she presented herself in an official capacity ... I base that on the fact she was showing her accreditation at every stage of her involvement and acting accordingly.

Once committed to the most miniscule coin of the realm one is ipso fatso committed to its largest so here goes:
The whole episode it would seem was a something and nothing. It is difficult to work out the true motivation of Ms Martin's actions, one could speculate I suppose as is being done. Nothing came of it that has been published officially so why the fuss?
What is even more difficult to work out is 24 pages of people barreling in pouring scorn and vitriol on a woman they don't know from Eve with Mods pretty well encouraging other posters to be libelous then trying to pass off opinion of something they cannot possibly have knowledge of as fact.
Now that, my friend, truly is surreal and bizarre.

[jassi]

Once committed to the most miniscule coin of the realm one is ipso fatso committed to its largest so here goes:
The whole episode it would seem was a something and nothing. It is difficult to work out the true motivation of Ms Martin's actions, one could speculate I suppose as is being done. Nothing came of it that has been published officially so why the fuss?
What is even more difficult to work out is 24 pages of people barreling in pouring scorn and vitriol on a woman they don't know from Eve with Mods pretty well encouraging other posters to be libelous then trying to pass off opinion of something they cannot possibly have knowledge of as fact.
Now that, my friend, truly is surreal and bizarre.

You must admit, though, that its kept the forum going for another week.
Where would we be without Rob's topic of the day ?

[slartibartfast]

Witnesses are disparaged, evidence is discounted because it isn’t proof, hyperbole abounds, nothing new really.

[Lace]

Would you say Murat has a round face?

Looks as though it's Robert Murat who has the scar not David Payne.

How on earth could Yvonne Martin think that David Payne could be the person carrying a child,  he has receding hair and glasses!!

[Mr Gray]

Once committed to the most miniscule coin of the realm one is ipso fatso committed to its largest so here goes:
The whole episode it would seem was a something and nothing. It is difficult to work out the true motivation of Ms Martin's actions, one could speculate I suppose as is being done. Nothing came of it that has been published officially so why the fuss?
What is even more difficult to work out is 24 pages of people barreling in pouring scorn and vitriol on a woman they don't know from Eve with Mods pretty well encouraging other posters to be libelous then trying to pass off opinion of something they cannot possibly have knowledge of as fact.
Now that, my friend, truly is surreal and bizarre.

Simply replace the word woman... With several others....including Kate and Gerry... And it describes the whole forum

[G-Unit]

Looks as though it's Robert Murat who has the scar not David Payne.

How on earth could Yvonne Martin think that David Payne could be the person carrying a child,  he has receding hair and glasses!!

Where did she say anything about a man carrying a child?

[Alice Purjorick]

Simply replace the word woman... With several others....including Kate and Gerry... And it describes the whole forum

I am rather baffled by the trite supporter argument that their appallingly abusive behaviour is justified by the appalling behaviour of a third party.
That is hardly the action of the super intelligentsia supporters purport to be now is it?

[Alice Purjorick]

You must admit, though, that its kept the forum going for another week.
Where would we be without Rob's topic of the day ?

Yeah; be thankful for the random thread generator.
I am currently studying for an ology in what sort of flip flops Jane was wearing.

[Eleanor]

I am rather baffled by the trite supporter argument that their appallingly abusive behaviour is justified by the appalling behaviour of a third party.
That is hardly the action of the super intelligentsia supporters purport to be now is it?

I have seen no appalling or abusive behaviour by Supporters.  Nor do I think that the behaviour of Yvonne Martin was appalling.  Subsequently not very nice, in my opinion, but hardly appalling.  So let's cut the histrionics.

This is a Discussion Forum.  But only for some, it seems.

[Eleanor]

Yeah; be thankful for the random thread generator.
I am currently studying for an ology in what sort of flip flops Jane was wearing.

Any further attacks on Rob will be deleted by me.

[Alice Purjorick]

I have seen no appalling or abusive behaviour by Supporters.  Nor do I think that the behaviour of Yvonne Martin was appalling.  Subsequently not very nice, in my opinion, but hardly appalling.  So let's cut the histrionics.

This is a Discussion Forum.  But only for some, it seems.

I didn't say Yvonne Martin's behaviour was appalling.

[Brietta]

Witnesses are disparaged, evidence is discounted because it isn’t proof, hyperbole abounds, nothing new really.

Hold the front page! ... I think you may very well have hit the nail on the head with the very essence of what has epitomised Madeline's case since the first headline "A Badly Told Story" with witnesses traduced and hyperbole rampant.

[Lace]

Where did she say anything about a man carrying a child?

In her statement -   

She did this anonymously because she did not want to be bothered by the media. But she also states that according to what she remembers, when she met with Madeleine's parents, David Payne, who was with them, was wearing a dark polo shirt, blue or black coloured, cream coloured long trousers, of linen or cotton, and dark shoes (sandal/slipper type without a back buckle/catch). In her opinion, this clothing matches perfectly with the clothing the Police described the man (carrying the child) to be wearing at the time. All these coincidences made the witness think that the parents and their friends could possibly be involved in the disappearance of the child.

[misty]

Looks as though it's Robert Murat who has the scar not David Payne.

How on earth could Yvonne Martin think that David Payne could be the person carrying a child,  he has receding hair and glasses!!

IMO YM saw both Murat & Payne that morning at different times & got confused when recalling her first meeting with Kate.

In "madeleine" Kate described her meeting with YM & DP was certainly the person who ushered her away. Kate also wrote "This woman would pop up several times in the days & months to come & I still don't really know who she is or what she was trying to achieve".
In the very next paragraph, Kate referred to Stephen Carpenter returning with Murat, who had offered to translate, which fits the timing of both YM & RM.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ROBERT-MURAT.htm
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 On Friday, 04/05, woke around 09:00, took a bath, went to the kitchen to his mother, the latter told him that something terrible had happened, because a child had disappeared in Praia da Luz, according to 'Sky News' that she had been watching. At once the respondent and his Mother went to look in the garden, walled with a fence of 1m in height, checking if the child had managed to enter, which in a way was almost impossible without aid. In one corner of the garden is a greenhouse, which was searched, and then they saw an English passer-by on the outside, he does not know the identity. When asked about this, he was told that the child had disappeared. Accompanied by that person, he went to the place of the disappearance, and was introduced to the parents of the child, as he spoke the two languages, Portuguese and English.