Yvonne Martin - how much information did she really uncover?

[G-Unit]

I can not see any reason the McCanns thought a couple had abducted their daughter, other than that they had been told it was possible a couple had abducted their child.  They would not know if it was a he or she or they.  But once someone had seen a possible sighting it then becomes an issue in the McCann's minds as to why a couple would abduct their daughter.
She did not say a couple had abducted her daughter, but during the conversation Kate said "that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter".   
That is like say ""that she did not understand why a couple would abduct her daughter".  That is not saying that happened but if it did why would it be a couple?

It might explin the 'they' that were mentioned early on.

[Carana]

https://youtu.be/ypNbehi9FQA  "Madeleine McCann columbo he she a couple the many faces of the abductors"

Colombo sometimes makes a good point.

IMO I had covered this earlier, it was due to the phone calls prior to the meeting with Yvonne.

???

[G-Unit]

Paul Moyes, May 2017, telling what Kate McCann was saying on 3rd May;

"She was screaming 'the f..king b........s have taken her'.

https://closeronline.co.uk/real-life/news/witnesses-kate-gerry-mccann-madeleine-holiday-paul-susan-moyes-jenny-murat/

Not specifically a couple, but more than one person is being implied.

According to Paul Moyes OG made enquiries about a couple too;

"The second visit was about three months later and lasted more than an hour and that was to pursue a lead and to make sure we were convinced on our timeline.

"The lead was that a couple had climbed over the fence and the back garden wall and they asked if that was us. It wasn't."

The couple said they had no idea who the mystery couple were but the information was "a few times removed" and had been spoken about in restaurants in the area.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3429641/mystery-couple-seen-clambering-over-wall-and-fence-directly-behind-apartment-where-madeleine-mccann-was-sleeping-on-night-she-vanished/

[Robittybob1]

Paul Moyes, May 2017, telling what Kate McCann was saying on 3rd May;

"She was screaming 'the f....ing b......s have taken her'.

https://closeronline.co.uk/real-life/news/witnesses-kate-gerry-mccann-madeleine-holiday-paul-susan-moyes-jenny-murat/

Not specifically a couple, but more than one person is being implied.

According to Paul Moyes OG made enquiries about a couple too;

"The second visit was about three months later and lasted more than an hour and that was to pursue a lead and to make sure we were convinced on our timeline.

"The lead was that a couple had climbed over the fence and the back garden wall and they asked if that was us. It wasn't."

The couple said they had no idea who the mystery couple were but the information was "a few times removed" and had been spoken about in restaurants in the area.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3429641/mystery-couple-seen-clambering-over-wall-and-fence-directly-behind-apartment-where-madeleine-mccann-was-sleeping-on-night-she-vanished/

But what Moyes' saw was on a different night wasn't it? 

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

In my opinion Ms Martin is an archetypal disaster tourist anxious to get as close to the action as possible.

If she was involved in child protection why did she show absolutely no concern for Madeleine's siblings or the other children in the party?

If she was involved in child protection? Are you suggesting she may not have been? She has made a signed statement to Police which states she has 25 years experience working with children at risk. She also makes reference to having shown the McCann's documentation of her professional credentials. Do you have information to the contrary?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

It's not clear why he seemed familiar to her. His face or his name? She didn't seem to remember the context, either.

"She adds that this third person appeared familiar to her. " Appeared familiar does suggest it was his appearance rather than his name. Granted though she is vague about the context.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

That depends on who is doing the counting.  "Meanwhile a fourth individual came towards the group and identified himself as a journalist. The witness alerted the couple to the type of statements they should give and that it would be better for them to keep silent.

At this moment, the third person, who was always near to the couple and the witness, moved the couple away from her and the three of them talked in whispers for some time.

After this, and leaving the couple behind him, he approached the witness and told her that the couple did not want to speak any more with her, nor with anyone else.

The witness replied to him that if the McCann couple felt the need to talk to her later, she would be at their total disposal."

That is counting from YM POV where she is not counting herself.

The "fourth individual" is the journalist.

The "third person" is DP.

The "couple" are K&G.

And "the witness" is YM.

It is YM who advises K&G about (not) talking to the press, then DP pulls K&G away from YM, and returns to say they (K&G) don't wish to talk to her any further.

[Brietta]

Paul Moyes, May 2017, telling what Kate McCann was saying on 3rd May;

"She was screaming 'the f....ing b......s have taken her'.

https://closeronline.co.uk/real-life/news/witnesses-kate-gerry-mccann-madeleine-holiday-paul-susan-moyes-jenny-murat/

Not specifically a couple, but more than one person is being implied.

According to Paul Moyes OG made enquiries about a couple too;

"The second visit was about three months later and lasted more than an hour and that was to pursue a lead and to make sure we were convinced on our timeline.

"The lead was that a couple had climbed over the fence and the back garden wall and they asked if that was us. It wasn't."

The couple said they had no idea who the mystery couple were but the information was "a few times removed" and had been spoken about in restaurants in the area.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3429641/mystery-couple-seen-clambering-over-wall-and-fence-directly-behind-apartment-where-madeleine-mccann-was-sleeping-on-night-she-vanished/

Paul and Susan Moyes were asleep when Madeleine vanished.  Not quite the tabloid headline is it?

Snip
Paul Moyes, 58, who is on holiday with his wife, Susan, said: "At 11.30pm there was a knock on the door. I went out in my dressing gown and there was a distressed gentleman there saying that a child had been abducted and could we help with the search. Everybody got involved."
 
The couple said the drama unfolded after what they described as "a fabulous day" in the Praia Da Luz resort.
 
It was as the couple were sleeping that three-year-old Madeleine was snatched from her parents' holiday

Mr Moyes said: "I felt quite shattered, to be quite frank. The people were themselves extremely sad and it was quite sad for everybody.
 
"We were quite emotionally shattered, seeing the family that distressed."
 
He said that among those who joined the search were many off-duty police in plain clothes who had been called in to help.
 
The couple said they remained on the search until 4am on Friday morning.
 
Mr Moyes described the resort as idyllic and safe. His wife added: "It is paradise."

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id52.htm

Snip
REPORTER Can you take us back to that night and what you were doing and when you first heard there was a problem?

SUSAN MOYES Sure. We went out for a meal about seven o’clock down in the town. We walked back about nine o’clock, round past, erm, the church, round past the supermarket, back to the apartment. Went out on the balcony about quarter past nine. Everywhere was peaceful, everywhere was lovely. We then went to bed. We were woken up at half past eleven at night by one of the friends of the McCanns to say a little girl had been abducted. Those were the words she used. So we got dressed and joined in the search. We were out till about four in the morning with, oooh, about I dont know, thirty people, thirty other people maybe. The Mark Warner team were out with other guests at the Ocean Club.

https://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/t1913-susan-moyes-transcript-radio-stoke-in-2007

[pathfinder73]

As they were out on their balcony when the alleged abduction took place they definitely didn't see an abductor!

[Carana]

From her statement:  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/YVONNE-WARREN-MARTIN.htm
"- She identified herself and presented her credentials and immediately began talking to the mother of the missing child as she was visibly upset with the situation.

- During the conversation the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter."

Well let's see "she was visibly upset with the situation".  Pretty well expected that Kate was upset.  Nothing new there.
Next bit: "the mother told her that she did not understand why a couple had abducted her daughter".

So had someone told Kate that a couple had abducted her daughter?   How would Kate even begin to suspect that a couple had abducted her daughter?
Was this from the potential sighting at 6:00 AM near the Lagos Marina by George Burke Brooks?

It only makes sense to me that somehow the information of this sighting had been passed onto Kate either directly or via the PJ IMO.

Can anyone think of another reason Kate would wonder why a couple abducted her child?

It could be simply a misunderstanding of the expression: "They've taken her", which Kate apparently said at some point. I'm told that it's quite common in some parts of the UK, and equates to "She's been taken", irrespective of how many people (one or more) were involved.

[Mr Gray]

They... Can be singular..

[The General]

They... Can be singular..

....or 'she's gone'.

[faithlilly]

It could be simply a misunderstanding of the expression: "They've taken her", which Kate apparently said at some point. I'm told that it's quite common in some parts of the UK, and equates to "She's been taken", irrespective of how many people (one or more) were involved.

Agreed.

What is harder to explain is the mention of a couple.

[Carana]

Agreed.

What is harder to explain is the mention of a couple.

But did Kate actually say that, or is that what Yvonne assumed if ever Kate had said "they"?

A couple in what sense?

[G-Unit]

But did Kate actually say that, or is that what Yvonne assumed if ever Kate had said "they"?

A couple in what sense?

It's funny how people are accused of mishearing or misunderstanding when they say something people don't want to hear, or can't explain.