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Offline G-Unit

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2018, 12:58:08 PM »
I see the Smiths as reliable witnesses too,  but the only thing that reminded Mr Smith of the person he saw with the child was the way Gerry carried his child off the plane,   not his features or anything else.

Mr Smith gave two reasonably good descriptions of the man he saw. I expect he had also stored a moving image in his brain on the night. Seeing photos and videos of Gerry McCann had no effect. It was only when he saw him in a very similar situation that the moving image was recalled.

 he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache.

He was average build, 5 foot 10' in height, brown hair cut short, aged 40 years approximately. Wearing beige trousers and darkish top maybe a jacket or blazer. He had a full head of hair with a tight cut.

He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the male seen the night.... It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either.
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Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2018, 01:13:59 PM »
Mr Smith gave two reasonably good descriptions of the man he saw. I expect he had also stored a moving image in his brain on the night. Seeing photos and videos of Gerry McCann had no effect. It was only when he saw him in a very similar situation that the moving image was recalled.

 he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache.

He was average build, 5 foot 10' in height, brown hair cut short, aged 40 years approximately. Wearing beige trousers and darkish top maybe a jacket or blazer. He had a full head of hair with a tight cut.

He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the male seen the night.... It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm


No question about this bit...

It was exactly the same way and look of the male seen the night....

And this was very important to SY. why would that be I wonder.


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Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2018, 01:52:36 PM »
Sorry John don't know what you mean.

I know that we can recognise familiar people from a distance because I've done it just by seeing someone turn their head and shoulders. I've no experience of recognising strangers though.

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm
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Offline Brietta

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2018, 02:09:05 PM »
I know that we can recognise familiar people from a distance because I've done it just by seeing someone turn their head and shoulders. I've no experience of recognising strangers though.

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm

Aoife did not agree with her fathers' opinion ... that surely tells one something particularly as she had a clear view of his manner of walking and it was that manner and the manner in which the child was carried which clinched it for her father.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #64 on: March 01, 2018, 02:11:37 PM »
Aoife did not agree with her fathers' opinion ... that surely tells one something particularly as she had a clear view of his manner of walking and it was that manner and the manner in which the child was carried which clinched it for her father.

Different perceptions. She saw the beige trousers with buttons. Did others mention that?
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Offline Lace

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #65 on: March 01, 2018, 02:26:37 PM »
Mr Smith gave two reasonably good descriptions of the man he saw. I expect he had also stored a moving image in his brain on the night. Seeing photos and videos of Gerry McCann had no effect. It was only when he saw him in a very similar situation that the moving image was recalled.

 he was Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He appeared to be about 35/40 years old. He had an average build, a bit on the thin side. His hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. He cannot state if it was dark or lighter in tone. He did not wear glasses and had no beard or moustache.

He was average build, 5 foot 10' in height, brown hair cut short, aged 40 years approximately. Wearing beige trousers and darkish top maybe a jacket or blazer. He had a full head of hair with a tight cut.

He states it was like watching an action replay of the night he saw the male carrying the child back in Portugal. He states the way Gerry was carrying his twin triggered something in his head. It was exactly the same way and look of the male seen the night.... It was the way Gerard McCann turned his head down which was similar to what the individual did on 3rd May 2007 when we met him. It may have been the way he was carrying the child either.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm

Mr. Smith also said he didn't think the man he saw was a tourist and that he wouldn't be able to recognise him if he saw him again.   So no,  I don't think it was the features of Gerry he recognised,  just the way Gerry carried his child off the plane.    Mr. Smith also said the man he saw was holding the child awkwardly,  I don't think Gerry was holding his child awkwardly.

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Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #66 on: March 01, 2018, 02:34:40 PM »
Aoife did not agree with her fathers' opinion ... that surely tells one something particularly as she had a clear view of his manner of walking and it was that manner and the manner in which the child was carried which clinched it for her father.

I think she saw him from a totally different angle and she was much closer to him.
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Offline Brietta

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #67 on: March 01, 2018, 02:35:52 PM »
Different perceptions. She saw the beige trousers with buttons. Did others mention that?

Yeah different perceptions indeed.  The person who was of the opinion that she would probably be able to recognise the man again from his stance did not agree with her father's perception when he eventually had one.


Just a reminder ...

He did not notice any other relevant details partly due to the fact that the lighting was not very good.
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— States that it is not possible for him to recognise the individual in person or by photograph.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_SMITH.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #68 on: March 01, 2018, 02:39:39 PM »
I think she saw him from a totally different angle and she was much closer to him.

Precisely ... as well as having watched his approach for longer than anyone else.  So better lighting, longer look at his downhill approach ... and she disagreed with her father's later vision.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #69 on: March 01, 2018, 02:41:21 PM »
So no need for any concern over his statement, then ?
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I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

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Offline Brietta

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2018, 02:50:02 PM »
So no need for any concern over his statement, then ?

Have you ever known me to say otherwise ... and before anyone states the obvious ... I have the highest regard for DCI Redwood and the excellent work he did on Madeleine's behalf.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #71 on: March 01, 2018, 04:19:05 PM »
Precisely ... as well as having watched his approach for longer than anyone else.  So better lighting, longer look at his downhill approach ... and she disagreed with her father's later vision.
What makes you think anyone watched his approach?

There is nothing from Peter Smith about where this man came from, but he does mention paying attention to his wife.

Martin Smith was probably with his wife, but I cannot be certain of even that.

Aoife brought up the rear of this entourage, but I have no clue as to who she was with.

Any idea where the other 4 children were?  It's extremely important.  It is a major unturned stone.
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Offline Carana

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #72 on: March 01, 2018, 04:40:02 PM »
Wasn't that what Jane Tanner also apparently said about her identification of the man she saw, she claimed it was the way he walked.

Not sure what you mean, John.

She appears to have been asked if she could (hypothetically, in the future) identify the man if ever...


Date 2007-05-04

When requested, she drew a sketch, which is joined to this statement (9).

When asked, she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.

No more is said.

Reads, ratifies, signs.

Offline G-Unit

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #73 on: March 01, 2018, 05:24:24 PM »
Precisely ... as well as having watched his approach for longer than anyone else.  So better lighting, longer look at his downhill approach ... and she disagreed with her father's later vision.

I'm afraid not. She didn't see him approach at all, he was on the same level as she was and she saw him for the least time of the three imo.

 upon reaching the top of the stairs, she looked to her left and saw a man (1) with a female child (2) in his arms, walking along the pavement of Rua 25 de Abril. He was walking in her direction at a distance of, give or take, two metres.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: How accurate would be Martin Smith's ID of Gerry MaCann?
« Reply #74 on: March 01, 2018, 06:27:25 PM »
Precisely ... as well as having watched his approach for longer than anyone else.  So better lighting, longer look at his downhill approach ... and she disagreed with her father's later vision.

Don’t  you think that if his children had been absolutely sure that it wasn’t Gerry that they had seen then that would have forced MS to doubt his recollection?
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