Do the sceptics simply misunderstand the evidence

[Mr Gray]

Hard question really, as i have never thought maddie was abducted since week 1


Not compassion, but i would feel some regret of what i have said about them -  i would think

If i had thought maddie...was abducted... i would never have got involved with this case.

I could not fight the corner of the mccanns... who brought this on themselves.

My compassion lies 100% with maddie.

How would you feel... if there was no abduction, and the mccanns were involved. [

If it was shown the mccanns knew what happenned and had concealed evidece...started a fraudulent fund...deceived everyone...I think they should be jailed

[Erngath]

Hard question really, as i have never thought maddie was abducted since week 1


Not compassion, but i would feel some regret of what i have said about them -  i would think

If i had thought maddie...was abducted... i would never have got involved with this case.

I could not fight the corner of the mccanns... who brought this on themselves.

My compassion lies 100% with maddie.

How would you feel... if there was no abduction, and the mccanns were involved. [

And what of your feelings towards the person who abducted Madeleine?
Would your antipathy towards the McCanns lessen?

[Mr Gray]

Hard question really, as i have never thought maddie was abducted since week 1


Not compassion, but i would feel some regret of what i have said about them -  i would think

If i had thought maddie...was abducted... i would never have got involved with this case.

I could not fight the corner of the mccanns... who brought this on themselves.

My compassion lies 100% with maddie.

How would you feel... if there was no abduction, and the mccanns were involved. [

many poeple suffer through their own mistakes....i still feel sympathy for them

[G-Unit]

The SCCRC ruled that the evidence given re the dog alerts was unreliable....it has been discussed before that for some reason the alerts are allowed as evidence in scotland

The evidence given by the dog handler. Was it her evidence re: the alerts? Was it her evidence re: training? Was it how she used the dog?

Your assumption that they were unhappy with the alerts is an unjustified assumption in my opinion. It wasn't 'alerts' that were 'allowed as evidence' it was the testimony of a police dog handler. Expert witness testimony is allowed in any court, not just those in Scotland.

[Mr Gray]

The evidence given by the dog handler. Was it her evidence re: the alerts? Was it her evidence re: training? Was it how she used the dog?

Your assumption that they were unhappy with the alerts is an unjustified assumption in my opinion. It wasn't 'alerts' that were 'allowed as evidence' it was the testimony of a police dog handler. Expert witness testimony is allowed in any court, not just those in Scotland.

It seems you are simply trying to find an excuse for the fact her evidence was criticised

[Lace]

You implied Grime  dishonestly brought his dog’s back again and again to objects that belonged to the McCanns even though Eddie showed no interest. Is that correct ?

Dishonestly?   where did you get that from?    It is obvious from the video's that Grime brought Eddie back again and again.   He knew he was in 5a and he wanted Eddie to have a really good search.

In one of the other apartments,   Eddie is trying to get at something under the bed,   Grime lifts the bed up and looks to see what is under it then puts it back down again.   Eddie still tries to get under the bed and Grime tells him to leave it.   Now why?    why didn't he let Eddie sniff what he wanted to get at?   If it had been 5a no doubt he would have.

Why did Grime chose Cuddle Cat to hide in the cupboard?    Eddie had ignored it,  why didn't he give it to Eddie to sniff again?   Why put it in the cupboard. 

[Lace]

The evidence given by the dog handler. Was it her evidence re: the alerts? Was it her evidence re: training? Was it how she used the dog?

Your assumption that they were unhappy with the alerts is an unjustified assumption in my opinion. It wasn't 'alerts' that were 'allowed as evidence' it was the testimony of a police dog handler. Expert witness testimony is allowed in any court, not just those in Scotland.

Maybe they were unhappy with the alerts as the handler said the dog smelt cadaver scent or blood.    There could have been an innocent reason why blood was smelt in that room.

[G-Unit]

It seems you are simply trying to find an excuse for the fact her evidence was criticised

David Gilroy was caught and convicted because of painstaking and detailed work by the police. Paying close attention to detail was a specialism of mine in my work; if something needed analysing in detail I used to get the job.

You make assumptions without having evidence to support them. I try very hard not to.

[G-Unit]

Maybe they were unhappy with the alerts as the handler said the dog smelt cadaver scent or blood.    There could have been an innocent reason why blood was smelt in that room.

Nobody knows unless they have the report, do they? What's the point of guessing?

[faithlilly]

In this case they found her body. 

This is interesting -   

PC Thompson said the dog gave "positive indications" of a smell of decomposing human remains or blood in the building which housed IML during the probe.

OR BLOOD    you see a cadaver dog can smell the scent of blood even when there is no blood to find.   Which was my point in the 5a bedroom,   Eddie could have smelt blood which had been in the room,  thought it may not have been a body,  it could have been blood on clothing or someone could have had a nose bleed,  it could even have been blood in fertiliser used on the garden and walked into the grout of the tiles.   Three families stayed in 5a after the McCann's.

Could you please provide a proper cite for the case quoted above ? Was a blood dog also used in the case ?

You have provided no evidence that any cadaver dog alerts to just the scent of blood. You must have found one if you believe that to be the case so please let the rest of us read it.

[faithlilly]

Dishonestly?   where did you get that from?    It is obvious from the video's that Grime brought Eddie back again and again.   He knew he was in 5a and he wanted Eddie to have a really good search.

In one of the other apartments,   Eddie is trying to get at something under the bed,   Grime lifts the bed up and looks to see what is under it then puts it back down again.   Eddie still tries to get under the bed and Grime tells him to leave it.   Now why?    why didn't he let Eddie sniff what he wanted to get at?   If it had been 5a no doubt he would have.

Why did Grime chose Cuddle Cat to hide in the cupboard?    Eddie had ignored it,  why didn't he give it to Eddie to sniff again?   Why put it in the cupboard.

You baulk at the word dishonesty then go on to accuse Grime of, at the least incompetence, amend at the harshes downright dishonesty.

[slartibartfast]

Nobody knows unless they have the report, do they? What's the point of guessing?

Because you can then make leaps of faith to attempt to prove a point. IMO

[Lace]

Could you please provide a proper cite for the case quoted above ? Was a blood dog also used in the case ?

You have provided no evidence that any cadaver dog alerts to just the scent of blood. You must have found one if you believe that to be the case so please let the rest of us read it.

Eddie alerted to the scent of blood from the keyfob and behind the sofa.

[Lace]

You baulk at the word dishonesty then go on to accuse Grime of, at the least incompetence, amend at the harshes downright dishonesty.

They are just questions,   can you answer them?

You accuse the McCann's of being dishonest,   you don't seem to mind doing that.

[faithlilly]

Eddie alerted to the scent of blood from the keyfob and behind the sofa.

There was cellular material found on both the key fob and behind the sofa. He did not alert to simply the scent.