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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is known about the secert Oakley Report?
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2018, 04:34:46 PM »
It would be nice to think so.   ?{)(**
True, especially if he claims this "‘Watch my ‘McCanns and the Con-Man’ for more context , though it only relates a fraction of the story’
Is he claiming he wrote that documentary?
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2018, 04:41:56 PM »
I can think of several reasons why a PI report, commissionned to help find a missing child, may not be for public consumption.

I don't see anything odd.

In the meantime, the ST article smacks to me of tabloid journalism. Not how I remember Insight investigative pieces years ago.
"Insight investigative pieces" can you explain that phrase for me please?
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Offline Brietta

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2018, 05:14:44 PM »
"Insight investigative pieces" can you explain that phrase for me please?

In the olden days (pre Murdoch) the Sunday Times Insight journalists were second to none.  They reported on many issues and high profile events and were respected for their integrity and investigative skills.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2018, 05:29:37 PM »
"Insight investigative pieces" can you explain that phrase for me please?

"Insight" was (presumably still is) a section in the ST devoted to investigative journalism. It used to be highly regarded. Not the sort of journalism that one would expect to be sued over. Teams change over time, and there may well be less money to invest in quality pieces.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/madeleine-mccann-fund-hired-secret-agent-conman-wrvrhs7wl2z

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insight_(Sunday_Times)

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-times-sued-mccanns-over-story-which-wrongly-claimed-evidence-was-withheld-police

There were other stories circulating at the time, but as I can't find them for the moment, I won't add to it.

Suffice to say that I find the style of that article at least to be more akin to tabloidism than my recollection of much earlier pieces in the section's history.


Offline Carana

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2018, 05:30:46 PM »
In the olden days (pre Murdoch) the Sunday Times Insight journalists were second to none.  They reported on many issues and high profile events and were respected for their integrity and investigative skills.

I was trying to find references and hadn't seen your post, Brietta. Yes, that was my recollection as well.

Offline Brietta

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2018, 06:06:43 PM »
I was trying to find references and hadn't seen your post, Brietta. Yes, that was my recollection as well.

They did a truly outstanding piece on the demonstration outside the Libyan Embassy which resulted in the death of police officer Yvonne Fletcher ... their work was often truly ground breaking.

Their skill and integrity was irreplaceable and it wasn't in my opinion, as we have seen demonstrated in the libellous reporting of the Smith efits.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What is known about the secert Oakley Report?
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2018, 08:07:54 PM »
From Wikipedia. 
"Oakley International
Further information: § Smith sighting
In 2008 Madeleine's Fund hired Oakley International, a Washington, D.C.-registered detective agency, for over £500,000 for six months.[231][236][237][238] (The company owner, Kevin Halligen, was arrested in 2009 in connection with an unrelated fraud allegation.[239]) Oakley sent a five-man team to Portugal. Led by Henri Exton, a former British police officer who had worked for MI5, the team engaged in undercover operations within the Ocean Club and among paedophile rings and the Roma community.[231]

Exton questioned the significance of the Tanner sighting of a man carrying a child at 21:15 near apartment 5A, and focused instead on the Smith sighting at 22:00—the sighting by Martin and Mary Smith of a man carrying a child near the McCanns' apartment that night. The Oakley team produced e-fits based on the Smiths' description. This was a sensitive issue, because in September 2007 Martin Smith had watched footage of the McCanns arriving in the UK from Portugal, and believed he recognized Gerry McCann as the man he had seen with the child in Praia da Luz. Smith came to accept that he was mistaken: at 22:00 witnesses placed Gerry McCann in the tapas restaurant. Nevertheless, publication of the Smith e-fits, which bore some resemblance to Gerry, would have fed the conspiracy theories about the McCanns.[61]

Exton submitted his report to Madeleine's Fund in November 2008, but the fund told Exton that the report and its e-fits had to remain confidential. The relationship between the company and the fund had soured, in part because of a dispute over fees, and in part because the report was critical of the McCanns and their friends; it suggested that Madeleine may have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself through its unlocked patio doors.[61] The fund passed the e-fits to the police—the Polícia Judiciária and Leicestershire police had them by October 2009, and Scotland Yard received them when they became involved in August 2011[240]—but did not otherwise release them. Kate McCann did not include them with the other images of suspects in her book, Madeleine (2011), although she suggested that both the Tanner and Smith sightings were crucial.[61]

Scotland Yard released the e-fits in 2013 for a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction. After it had aired, The Sunday Times published that the McCanns had had the e-fits since 2008.[61] In response the couple sued the newspaper for having implied (wrongly) that they had not only failed to publish them but had withheld them from the police. The newspaper apologized and paid £55,000 in damages.[240][241]"

When I were a nipper we sang this song:
OK no straight line or convoluted thinking required, just a bit of simple maths
"We've two chickens in our back yard. We feed them on indian corn, some lays eggs and some lays pegs and some lays nothing at all".
It would seem Oakley's personnel were much the same..... the five sure gave it some welly @)(++(*
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Offline G-Unit

Re: What is known about the secert Oakley Report?
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2018, 09:09:18 PM »
I would need know more about its contents first.

You were happy to speculate about blackmail without knowing the contents.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is known about the secert Oakley Report?
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2018, 09:24:28 PM »
You were happy to speculate about blackmail without knowing the contents.
Speculation. 
I found the post where you claim I speculated but I think of it as more exploring possible options.

"It could be used as a tool in a blackmail situation.  It could be a scenario like this: "Don't show me up and I'll keep my report to myself!"

Your post that I was replying to had as much speculation in it.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2018, 06:18:00 PM »
What is known about the secret Oakley Report?

Enough.
Which is quite a lot of significance.
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Offline Carana

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2018, 06:25:00 PM »
What is known about the secret Oakley Report?

Enough.
Which is quite a lot of significance.

Although I'm as curious as anyone else, the police forces apparently have it. I presume they're capable of reading it.

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2018, 06:55:14 PM »
Although I'm as curious as anyone else, the police forces apparently have it. I presume they're capable of reading it.
Release it then.
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Offline Carana

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2018, 07:03:50 PM »
Release it then.

Why should they? It's an ongoing investigation. If there's anything more that they feel would be useful in terms of a public appeal, I expect they would.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What is known about the secret Oakley Report?
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2018, 07:06:07 PM »
Although I'm as curious as anyone else, the police forces apparently have it. I presume they're capable of reading it.


Indeed I am sure they did read it.
How they obtained it and what happened afterwards tells us all we need to know about the Oakley Report i.e it contained neither a smoking gun nor did it tell much that was not already known by the PJ. ....imo.
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