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Offline Brietta

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Yesterday, the prosecution announced the reopening of the proceedings. In a note released at lunch, the Attorney General's Office said that the reopening was determined "following a proposal by the Judiciary Police, and given the presentation of new evidence to justify further investigation."

Inquiry into secrecy

The investigation will continue to run at the Attorney General's Office of the Republic of Portimão, which, according to the statement, asked the investigating judge that the case be subject to the secrecy of justice. The owner of the case will be the prosecutor of the Republic who previously directed the case, José Magalhães e Menezes.

PÚBLICO reported yesterday that a possible request for reopening was the result of a reanalysis of the process carried out by the team of PJ do Porto, created in March 2011. A group of four inspectors led by research coordinator Helena Monteiro - who had never contacted the inquiry, thus avoiding any contamination in the assessment - will have identified witnesses who were never questioned while the proceedings were in progress, by July 2008.

The PJ confirmed yesterday in a statement that it was the work of this team to give rise to the reopening of the case. "This work of reanalysis, which took place during the last two and a half years, allowed us to know new evidence that, by imposing the continuation of the investigation, fulfilled the requirements ... for the reopening of the investigation," reads the note.

PÚBLICO knows that the members of the PJ do Porto have already visited the Algarve several times to gather elements and carry out informal procedures, which have made it possible to justify the need to reopen the case.

The PJ is focusing again on the investigation into the kidnapping thesis, the main line followed by Scotland Yard, who also opened an inquiry into Maddie's disappearance. However, the lines of investigation being followed by the two police are distinct and the proceedings will run in parallel, as the London Metropolitan Police acknowledged in a statement issued yesterday.


Os pais de Madeleine, Kate e Gerry McCann, estiveram em Portugal a semana passada convocados informalmente pela PJ, que os informou dos planos para reabrir a investigação.
Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were in Portugal last week informally called by the PJ, which informed them of plans to reopen the investigation.
https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/25/jornal/policia-judiciaria-ja-identificou-novas-diligencias-a-fazer-no-processo-maddie-27294106


Quite simply ... there is little or no information entering the public domain regarding the progress of Madeleine's case because the investigation is being conducted under the legal rule of judicial secrecy.

In my opinion Portuguese and British police when reviewing the evidence discovered huge swatches which had not been followed through in the original investigation and which to investigate adequately demanded the reopening of Madeleine's case.

Evidence led Portuguese and British police investigations in the direction of stranger abduction.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Carana

Do I need to remind you that Rebelo was coordinator of the case for longer than Amaral. Shouldn’t he shoulder some of the blame if there was any ‘clearing up’ to do ‘ ?

Yes, Rebelo was. But in the context of taking over what may have been a messy case (IMO) with 3 arguidos and a strict time-frame, I don't see how he could have done much more.

His team checked on potential sources of ink, but not potentially duplicate keys. The only logical explanation (IMO) is that it was a race against the clock as to whether to charge any of the arguidos or not.

Offline Angelo222

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Yesterday, the prosecution announced the reopening of the proceedings. In a note released at lunch, the Attorney General's Office said that the reopening was determined "following a proposal by the Judiciary Police, and given the presentation of new evidence to justify further investigation."

Inquiry into secrecy

The investigation will continue to run at the Attorney General's Office of the Republic of Portimão, which, according to the statement, asked the investigating judge that the case be subject to the secrecy of justice. The owner of the case will be the prosecutor of the Republic who previously directed the case, José Magalhães e Menezes.

PÚBLICO reported yesterday that a possible request for reopening was the result of a reanalysis of the process carried out by the team of PJ do Porto, created in March 2011. A group of four inspectors led by research coordinator Helena Monteiro - who had never contacted the inquiry, thus avoiding any contamination in the assessment - will have identified witnesses who were never questioned while the proceedings were in progress, by July 2008.

The PJ confirmed yesterday in a statement that it was the work of this team to give rise to the reopening of the case. "This work of reanalysis, which took place during the last two and a half years, allowed us to know new evidence that, by imposing the continuation of the investigation, fulfilled the requirements ... for the reopening of the investigation," reads the note.

PÚBLICO knows that the members of the PJ do Porto have already visited the Algarve several times to gather elements and carry out informal procedures, which have made it possible to justify the need to reopen the case.

The PJ is focusing again on the investigation into the kidnapping thesis, the main line followed by Scotland Yard, who also opened an inquiry into Maddie's disappearance. However, the lines of investigation being followed by the two police are distinct and the proceedings will run in parallel, as the London Metropolitan Police acknowledged in a statement issued yesterday.


Os pais de Madeleine, Kate e Gerry McCann, estiveram em Portugal a semana passada convocados informalmente pela PJ, que os informou dos planos para reabrir a investigação.
Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were in Portugal last week informally called by the PJ, which informed them of plans to reopen the investigation.
https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/25/jornal/policia-judiciaria-ja-identificou-novas-diligencias-a-fazer-no-processo-maddie-27294106


Quite simply ... there is little or no information entering the public domain regarding the progress of Madeleine's case because the investigation is being conducted under the legal rule of judicial secrecy.

In my opinion Portuguese and British police when reviewing the evidence discovered huge swatches which had not been followed through in the original investigation and which to investigate adequately demanded the reopening of Madeleine's case.

Evidence led Portuguese and British police investigations in the direction of stranger abduction.

Hindsight is a wonderful ability.  Kate McCann's reference to Tweedledee and Tweedledum evidenced an appalling lack of respect for police charged with clearing up the mess resulting from their poor parenting skills.  Amaral had to conduct the investigation under extremely challenging conditions with private consultants, a foreign police force second-guessing his every move and a media leaking like a sieve.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 11:03:09 AM by Angelo222 »
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Offline barrier

Yes there is.  Two specially trained scent dogs independently followed her fresh trail from the apartment, around the block where it mysteriously stopped at the car park opposite mini reception.  I for one cannot think of another explanation for such a compelling piece of evidence.

What of the thereafter Angelo,we know that SY did some landscaping under the banner of a supposed burglary gone wrong, obviously looking for a body imo,but maybe they were following through on a theory not too dissimilar to yours.
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Offline faithlilly

Yes there is.  Two specially trained scent dogs independently followed her fresh trail from the apartment, around the block where it mysteriously stopped at the car park opposite mini reception.  I for one cannot think of another explanation for such a compelling piece of evidence.

The dogs were given a blanket/towel which was allegedly Madeleine’s to sniff her scent. What if the item wasn’t actually Madeleine’s?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Angelo222

What of the thereafter Angelo,we know that SY did some landscaping under the banner of a supposed burglary gone wrong, obviously looking for a body imo,but maybe they were following through on a theory not too dissimilar to yours.

True.  I can see no logic for any stranger risking an apartment intrusion to abduct a child only to kill her.
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Offline Angelo222

The dogs were given a blanket/towel which was allegedly Madeleine’s to sniff her scent. What if the item wasn’t actually Madeleine’s?

If it wasn't Maddie's then they followed someone else's scent but I don't believe that occurred.
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Offline Mr Gray

Yes there is.  Two specially trained scent dogs independently followed her fresh trail from the apartment, around the block where it mysteriously stopped at the car park opposite mini reception.  I for one cannot think of another explanation for such a compelling piece of evidence.

The dogs did not act independently... It is suggested in the police files that the second dog may simply have followed the trail of the first... The evidence  you think is compelling is not if you read the report of the dog handler in the files...
Probably why it, was ignored in the final report

Offline G-Unit

The first dogs were patrol dogs who arrived at around 2.30 am. In the apartment there were PJ officers and the McCanns. They were given Madeleine's pink blanket from her bed.

The actual sniffer dogs were used at 11 pm on 4th and they were given the bath towel.

All the dogs followed the same route.

Was the pink blanket kept by the first dog team? They continued to search until morning. It depends what time the photos were taken in 5A, because the blanket was on the bed in those.
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Offline faithlilly

If it wasn't Maddie's then they followed someone else's scent but I don't believe that occurred.


And the dog alerts in the McCann’s apartment and only the McCann’s apartment? Coincidence?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline misty

The dogs were given a blanket/towel which was allegedly Madeleine’s to sniff her scent. What if the item wasn’t actually Madeleine’s?

If Madeleine's scent wasn't on the blanket/towel, the negative result given by the GNR dogs' search of Casa Liliana some 10 days later must be called into question.

Offline Mr Gray

Hindsight is a wonderful ability.  Kate McCann's reference to Tweedledee and Tweedledum evidenced an appalling lack of respect for police charged with clearing up the mess resulting from their poor parenting skills.  Amaral had to conduct the investigation under extremely challenging conditions with private consultants, a foreign police force second-guessing his every move and a media leaking like a sieve.
and its a matter of record IMO Amaral did not understand the evidence
« Last Edit: April 16, 2018, 08:01:17 PM by slartibartfast »

Offline ShiningInLuz

and its a matter of record amaral  did not understand the evidence
It's your opinion.
What's up, old man?

Offline Mr Gray

It's your opinion.

It isnt...he believed the evidence proved maddie died in the apartment...he is on record saying that.....the evidence does not prove that  he is wrong......fact not opinion...

00.48 - During the following 50 minutes, I will prove that the child was not abducted, and that she died in the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.


https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/maddie-truth-of-lie-documentary.html



« Last Edit: April 20, 2018, 07:34:49 PM by Davel »

Offline faithlilly

If Madeleine's scent wasn't on the blanket/towel, the negative result given by the GNR dogs' search of Casa Liliana some 10 days later must be called into question.

But not of the searches by the cadaver dog.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?