What was the point of the arguido questions asked of Kate and Gerry McCann?

[Robittybob1]

I don't know... Why do you think he was... Was it only 5 min.... Was he worried at all the other visits she made

Think of a reason Davel.  He was worried it seemed like 10 minutes when everyone else said the check was only about 5 minutes.

[Mr Gray]

Think of a reason Davel.  He was worried it seemed like 10 minutes when everyone else said the check was only about 5 minutes.

In the UK... The term gone for 5 minutes relates to a non specific short period of time.... How's that for a starter

[pathfinder73]

Kate said you know, she'd go up and check, do her check and within a couple of minutes later she came back and shouting Madeleines gone.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

She was gone at least several, at least several minutes.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[Robittybob1]

Kate said you know, she'd go up and check, do her check and within a couple of minutes later she came back and shouting Madeleines gone.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

She was gone at least several, at least several minutes.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

I don't know if you checked them all, but I think none say it was more that 5 minutes.  Gerry had a watch so he should have been precisely aware of how long Kate had taken.

[Robittybob1]

looking at the earlier statement for clues http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm:

"----- Half and hour later without anything to signal, it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house."

That does make sense in actual fact, him knowing precisely when she left him but not knowing when he started to worry about her being in his view late.

I thought everyone else was saying Kate was saying someone had taken Madeleine but here Gerry is saying "saying that MADELEINE had disappeared".  Has he changed it?

[Robittybob1]

This next bit seems like the the most stupid thing a doctor could decide:
"----- Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside. "

He has just gone and interfered with the most important and easiest part of the crime scene to preserve, the shutters.  Surely he is not that thick.

How come it was not immediately call the police, that very instant?  Fail again Gerry.

[Robittybob1]

Which of the arguido questions /answers covers this part?

"He refutes, peremptorily, the notion [idea/hypothesis] that MADELEINE could have left the apartment by her own means."   
Is that based on fact or just opinion?  There was nothing stopping Madeleine leaving by the front door so why was is he so adamant that this did not happen?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
"When questioned, he states that from the first moment, after the first fruitless searches, he thought that Madeleine had been abducted and it was this information that he gave to everyone to whom he spoke. He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own or opened the blinds and window in the room."

What is he thinking?  "He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own".  In fact there was nothing stopping Madeleine going out the front door. 

[sadie]

Which of the arguido questions /answers covers this part?

"He refutes, peremptorily, the notion [idea/hypothesis] that MADELEINE could have left the apartment by her own means."   
Is that based on fact or just opinion?  There was nothing stopping Madeleine leaving by the front door so was is he so adamant that this did not happen?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm
"When questioned, he states that from the first moment, after the first fruitless searches, he thought that Madeleine had been abducted and it was this information that he gave to everyone to whom he spoke. He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own or opened the blinds and window in the room."

What is he thinking?  "He reached such a conclusion because he did not think it possible that she had gone out on her own".  In fact there was nothing stopping Madeleine going out the front door.

He is Madeleines father and only he and Kate know whether Madeleine was capable of opening the door, patio door or window.  Only he ande Kate know whether Madeleine would do such a thing if she were able.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree TBH

SY would not have needed to spend over £400,000 in the latest stage of their investigation if they KNEW or SUSPECTED that Gerry was responsible.  They do that sort of investigation successfully on a daily basis, it would be simplicity itsef to them.

Nor would they have needed that much money if they KNEW or SUSPECTED that any of the Tapas group were involved. 

It seems to me that they are looking at a large well established organisation probably run by famous very elite people.  For unravelling such an organisation they would need time and mega bucks.

TBH Rob, you are completely wrong

AIMHO

[Carana]

looking at the earlier statement for clues http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm:

"----- Half and hour later without anything to signal, it being 22h03, he turned to alert KATE that it was time for her to go to see the children. She immediately made her way to the apartment by the usual path, she having entered by the rear door. About 10 minutes later, he started to worry about her lateness and, at the moment he prepared to stand and to go to see the reason for her lateness, KATE appeared running, completely distraught and crying, saying that MADELEINE had disappeared and that she was sure because she had looked throughout the house."

That does make sense in actual fact, him knowing precisely when she left him but not knowing when he started to worry about her being in his view late.

I thought everyone else was saying Kate was saying someone had taken Madeleine but here Gerry is saying "saying that MADELEINE had disappeared".  Has he changed it?

You're forgetting that this isn't a verbatim report. There's no way of knowing what the question was or what the officer chose to type.

The word used was "estranhar" which can apparently mean to wonder.

Re the time: whether he actually said around 10 minutes, or whether that's what the officer understood as sufficient time for him to wonder if everything was ok... who knows? And what's so important about whether she was gone "a few minutes" or "around 10"?

The UK police said they'd done a forensic timeline, so I expect that they're capable of working out how long she was there and what she did during that time.

[Robittybob1]

He is Madeleines father and only he and Kate know whether Madeleine was capable of opening the door, patio door or window.  Only he ande Kate know whether Madeleine would do such a thing if she were able.

I think you are barking up the wrong tree TBH

SY would not have needed to spend over £400,000 in the latest stage of their investigation if they KNEW or SUSPECTED that Gerry was responsible.  They do that sort of investigation successfully on a daily basis, it would be simplicity itsef to them.

Nor would they have needed that much money if they KNEW or SUSPECTED that any of the Tapas group were involved. 

It seems to me that they are looking at a large well established organisation probably run by famous very elite people.  For unravelling such an organisation they would need time and mega bucks.

TBH Rob, you are completely wrong

AIMHO

What I'm trying to get across is that we are not being told the full story.  I'm not saying or even implying Gerry did anything which resulted in Madeleine's abduction, but possible knowledge of the situation prior to that.  I see him having knowledge of something he isn't telling us.  That could be the reason he is anxious.

If she had no hope of getting outside why did they look in the immediate area?  What were they thinking someone took her out and dumped her real close by?

[Robittybob1]

You're forgetting that this isn't a verbatim report. There's no way of knowing what the question was or what the officer chose to type.

The word used was "estranhar" which can apparently mean to wonder.

Re the time: whether he actually said around 10 minutes, or whether that's what the officer understood as sufficient time for him to wonder if everything was ok... who knows? And what's so important about whether she was gone "a few minutes" or "around 10"?

The UK police said they'd done a forensic timeline, so I expect that they're capable of working out how long she was there and what she did during that time.

Oh it is very important, in my theory it becomes important and it was important to him too as he mentions it in two statements.  If he had given his reason that "he was concerned one of the kids had got up and exited the apartment, and Kate might be terrified as to where the child has gone", then I think there would be a good reason for concern.  For every minute wasted on looking in the apartment is another minute where the child could get lost on the outside.

He said he looked under the beds, but isn't it physically impossible for a child to crawl under those beds.

[Brietta]

What I'm trying to get across is that we are not being told the full story.  I'm not saying or even implying Gerry did anything which resulted in Madeleine's abduction, but possible knowledge of the situation prior to that.  I see him having knowledge of something he isn't telling us.  That could be the reason he is anxious.

If she had no hope of getting outside why did they look in the immediate area?  What were they thinking someone took her out and dumped her real close by?

As soon as Gerry realised that the shutter could be raised from outside ... that must have put an entirely new interpretation on the whole scenario.

With all due respect contrary to what you think about neither making statements nor implications impugning Gerry McCann ~ Kate McCann ~ their companions and even Mr Healey et al, in my opinion that is exactly what you are doing in effect.

In my opinion your first sentence above establishes the tone and I have seen you make imputations that not even the direst sites on the web have come up with to direct against the McCanns ... just as you have in the rest of your post.

Maybe a subliminal transference from some of the sources of your research into Madeleine's case is colouring your judgement of what you mean to say and what you are actually saying?

[Robittybob1]

As soon as Gerry realised that the shutter could be raised from outside ... that must have put an entirely new interpretation on the whole scenario.

With all due respect contrary to what you think about neither making statements nor implications impugning Gerry McCann ~ Kate McCann ~ their companions and even Mr Healey et al, in my opinion that is exactly what you are doing in effect.

In my opinion your first sentence above establishes the tone and I have seen you make imputations that not even the direst sites on the web have come up with to direct against the McCanns ... just as you have in the rest of your post.

Maybe a subliminal transference from some of the sources of your research into Madeleine's case is colouring your judgement of what you mean to say and what you are actually saying?

Is that equivalent to saying you don't believe me?    What I am saying is that at some point in time I believe Gerry got to know that Madeleine was seen by someone out of the building.  Carpenters talk of hearing someone calling for Madeleine even on their way home and if the timing is right that is before Kate's alarm.  So someone knew before Kate did IMO, and then they told Gerry IMO so Gerry was anxious to start the search for Madeleine IMO.  I know that sounds bizarre but there are circumstances which would make that still a sensible option of waiting till Kate came back but she seemed to be taking an extraordinary amount of time in Gerry's perception.

[G-Unit]

This next bit seems like the the most stupid thing a doctor could decide:
"----- Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside. "

He has just gone and interfered with the most important and easiest part of the crime scene to preserve, the shutters.  Surely he is not that thick.

How come it was not immediately call the police, that very instant?  Fail again Gerry.

In my opinion the obvious assumption would have been that someone had opened the window and shutters from inside, because the obvious assumption would have been that the window had been locked. Why did Gerry not make these obvious assumptions? Why was he interested in whether the shutters could be raised from outside?

[Vertigo Swirl]

In my opinion the obvious assumption would have been that someone had opened the window and shutters from inside, because the obvious assumption would have been that the window had been locked. Why did Gerry not make these obvious assumptions? Why was he interested in whether the shutters could be raised from outside?

Were you there when Gerry arrived to discover his daughter was no longer in the room and the window open?  If not then you have no idea what he thought or said out loud, but it is not  an reasonable assumption when you think someone has stolen something from your house and the window is open to think that the thief entered by the open window.