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Offline Samson

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2018, 10:56:47 PM »
Eh? That's like saying they should tell anyone the ship sinks in Titantic!
There is a chance for glory here if the film makers tell the truth that Holly assures us will emerge later this year. This is an important opportunity to explain how lies and greed can get one man caged and his vengeful relatives get his money.

Offline Caroline

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2018, 11:36:55 PM »
There is a chance for glory here if the film makers tell the truth that Holly assures us will emerge later this year. This is an important opportunity to explain how lies and greed can get one man caged and his vengeful relatives get his money.

They aren't interested in glory, just telling the story of what happened and they clearly don't think he's innocent.

It was lies and greed that had him caged - his own.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2018, 12:55:41 PM by John »

Offline Myster

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #62 on: July 06, 2018, 05:11:26 AM »
There is a chance for glory here if the film makers tell the truth that Holly assures us will emerge later this year. This is an important opportunity to explain how lies and greed can get one man caged and his vengeful relatives get his money.
Holly has assured us many times over the years that JB would be released by Christmas, but every time he's had to swallow soggy sprouts instead, other than one year when he had to suffer the indignity of dry toast and runny jam... poor soul.  I might start to believe her wishful though highly inaccurate predictions if she said that New Zealand will one day win the World Cup.

The lies and greed emanated from the guilty one who murdered his family, such a shame that you can't see that.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #63 on: July 06, 2018, 09:31:49 AM »
Holly has assured us many times over the years that JB would be released by Christmas, but every time he's had to swallow soggy sprouts instead, other than one year when he had to suffer the indignity of dry toast and runny jam... poor soul.  I might start to believe her wishful though highly inaccurate predictions if she said that New Zealand will one day win the World Cup.

The lies and greed emanated from the guilty one who murdered his family, such a shame that you can't see that.

I maintain JB's conviction will be quashed but I don't recall putting a time frame on it?  That tends to come from JB/CT. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #64 on: July 06, 2018, 12:38:41 PM »
I maintain JB's conviction will be quashed but I don't recall putting a time frame on it?  That tends to come from JB/CT.

However I do recall losing a bet on here over something and having to cough up £50 for charity  *%87
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Myster

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #65 on: July 06, 2018, 01:01:48 PM »
However I do recall losing a bet on here over something and having to cough up £50 for charity  *%87

You'll have to seek out sika for an answer to that.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Samson

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #66 on: July 07, 2018, 04:00:26 AM »
Holly has assured us many times over the years that JB would be released by Christmas, but every time he's had to swallow soggy sprouts instead, other than one year when he had to suffer the indignity of dry toast and runny jam... poor soul.  I might start to believe her wishful though highly inaccurate predictions if she said that New Zealand will one day win the World Cup.

The lies and greed emanated from the guilty one who murdered his family, such a shame that you can't see that.
It doesn't matter what I can see, but watching Lee' interview for the series, I note this.

She quotes as most telling the disbelief that Sheila had the energy to kill. Interesting, because Charlie posted something you are welcome to refute, where no energy was required, except holding a light weapon.

    "Yes, blunt force trauma sufficient to cause a skull fracture would be obvious, and bullets in the skull do cause fractures.

Besides which, it's not as though Vanezis dug up the body and found something he had missed. He was elaborating on his original findings, supposedly. So did he forget to mention it in his first report? I don't think so. Look how he worded it:

"In my view none of the fractures to the skull were associated with gunshot injuries. The bruising to both eyes in my view could not be associated solely with fractures to the skull but in my view could have also been caused by blows by a blunt object or objects in the vicinity of both eyes."

What does that even mean? Compare with what he said in his first report:

"The track of the above two wounds [i.e., from the bullets in the skull] was through the temporal bone causing two punctured holes in the skull with associated linear fractures radiating to the top of the skull in the frontal bone as far as the saggital suture as well as across the right orbital plate and frontal bone. The track of both wounds continued through the brain causing disruptive injury principally to both temporal lobes, right parietal lobe and midbrain structures. One of the bullets then caused everted fractures to the left parietal bone with the bullet imbedded in the fracture site. The other bullet had exited just behind the left ear causing a fracture to the temporal bone and a small exit laceration."

Emphasis is mine. It's a good deal more clear and precise, don't you think? The bullets caused the skull fractures."

Best read the post for his emphasised passages.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=196127#p196127

...............................................

The overriding take is that Lee relies on this to subvert the public to a false belief, that there was combat.
No, the crime scene evidence shows three victims shot in their beds, one victim disabled by shots to mouth and shoulder and arm, then a reloaded gun finishing this victim off.
Add in that she was in bed by 9pm, was found with undigested food in her stomach showing she got up in the night, her bloody underwear in a bucket, a tampon applicator in the living room and an inserted tampon in her corpse, there is your movie.
Are ITV so thick they will ignore all this?
I am making damn sure that if they make fools of themselves they will be exposed by the rationalists.





« Last Edit: July 07, 2018, 04:09:17 AM by Samson »

Offline Samson

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #67 on: July 07, 2018, 04:29:32 AM »
From the clip, Carol Anne Lee says the following:

"When I interviewed her psychiatrist, he said it was drug induced Parkinsonism, and Sheila's best friend also told me, that the last time she'd seen Sheila which was just a week before the murders, she couldn't get up from the sofa without help and she said when I heard about the murders and I found out that they said Sheila was the guilty party, she said I just knew it wasn't possible."

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2018-06-23/bamber-murders-to-be-turned-into-tv-drama/

No warning bells here about Lee's conclusions? This is confirmation bias, but the impassioned delivery in the interview speaks of certainty. The opposite of course is shown at the crime scene with Sheila in the kitchen for food and attending to that pesky period. I don't imagine anyone carried her downstairs from bed for this nocturnal escapade.


Offline Caroline

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2018, 10:41:12 AM »
From the clip, Carol Anne Lee says the following:

"When I interviewed her psychiatrist, he said it was drug induced Parkinsonism, and Sheila's best friend also told me, that the last time she'd seen Sheila which was just a week before the murders, she couldn't get up from the sofa without help and she said when I heard about the murders and I found out that they said Sheila was the guilty party, she said I just knew it wasn't possible."

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2018-06-23/bamber-murders-to-be-turned-into-tv-drama/

No warning bells here about Lee's conclusions? This is confirmation bias, but the impassioned delivery in the interview speaks of certainty. The opposite of course is shown at the crime scene with Sheila in the kitchen for food and attending to that pesky period. I don't imagine anyone carried her downstairs from bed for this nocturnal escapade.

In order to counteract the affects of haloperidol, she was given other drungs and had the halp reduced. If anyone should be hearing warning bells, it's you!

Offline John

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #69 on: July 07, 2018, 01:25:45 PM »
Another report on the proposed drama/doc... 

http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2018-06-23/bamber-murders-to-be-turned-into-tv-drama/

Will be interesting to see if they bring Jeremy's New Zealand pal into the equation  *%87

The troubling thing tho is if they attempt to base the documentary on CAL's book then it will come up short.  Her apparent ignorance of many matters including the means by which Jeremy Bamber used to gain access to an otherwise secure farmhouse is hard to square with her pre launch claim of a definitive account.  The sequence in which the twins were murdered will also create a problem as that remains undetermined as does the method he used to get to the farmhouse from Goldhanger. 
« Last Edit: July 07, 2018, 01:57:43 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #70 on: July 08, 2018, 08:20:46 AM »
It doesn't matter what I can see, but watching Lee' interview for the series, I note this.

She quotes as most telling the disbelief that Sheila had the energy to kill. Interesting, because Charlie posted something you are welcome to refute, where no energy was required, except holding a light weapon.

    "Yes, blunt force trauma sufficient to cause a skull fracture would be obvious, and bullets in the skull do cause fractures.

Besides which, it's not as though Vanezis dug up the body and found something he had missed. He was elaborating on his original findings, supposedly. So did he forget to mention it in his first report? I don't think so. Look how he worded it:

"In my view none of the fractures to the skull were associated with gunshot injuries. The bruising to both eyes in my view could not be associated solely with fractures to the skull but in my view could have also been caused by blows by a blunt object or objects in the vicinity of both eyes."

What does that even mean? Compare with what he said in his first report:

"The track of the above two wounds [i.e., from the bullets in the skull] was through the temporal bone causing two punctured holes in the skull with associated linear fractures radiating to the top of the skull in the frontal bone as far as the saggital suture as well as across the right orbital plate and frontal bone. The track of both wounds continued through the brain causing disruptive injury principally to both temporal lobes, right parietal lobe and midbrain structures. One of the bullets then caused everted fractures to the left parietal bone with the bullet imbedded in the fracture site. The other bullet had exited just behind the left ear causing a fracture to the temporal bone and a small exit laceration."

Emphasis is mine. It's a good deal more clear and precise, don't you think? The bullets caused the skull fractures."

Best read the post for his emphasised passages.

http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=196127#p196127

...............................................

The overriding take is that Lee relies on this to subvert the public to a false belief, that there was combat.
No, the crime scene evidence shows three victims shot in their beds, one victim disabled by shots to mouth and shoulder and arm, then a reloaded gun finishing this victim off.
Add in that she was in bed by 9pm, was found with undigested food in her stomach showing she got up in the night, her bloody underwear in a bucket, a tampon applicator in the living room and an inserted tampon in her corpse, there is your movie.
Are ITV so thick they will ignore all this?
I am making damn sure that if they make fools of themselves they will be exposed by the rationalists.

The crime scene kitchen photo shows that some kind of struggle took place there. Why was Nevill's watch found broken and hidden under the mat in front of the sink? (with associated bruising to his left wrist where he probably wore it). There was blood spatter on the AGA and kettle as well as a wooden shard broken off the rifle, indicating that he had been severely beaten with it.  How did the high ceiling lampshade central in the room come to be shattered with its shards scattered on the floor?  Did Nevill climb onto a chair waving his hands about to effect this?!!!

And any drama/doc will tend to obfuscate rather than clarify, as they have done several times in the past. I remember one which showed the gun cupboard as a simple sideboard with easy access, not the actual cramped, wedge-shaped compartment under the stairs which could only be entered/examined by crawling on hands and knees. For a drama to be truthful it needs to be accurate, and reliant on the actual layout/plans of WHF.

ITV will take no notice of you Samson, much as you would hope. They're aim is to boost audience figures not kowtow to the misplaced concerns of one or two on social media.

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline adam

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #71 on: July 08, 2018, 09:05:42 AM »
The silencer also scratched the aga during the kitchen fight.

David has said the relatives scratched the aga without seeing the kitchen crime scene photos. Which was very risky of them. This was extra evidence the silencer had been used after the relatives (according to David) had gone into a bucket of water & expertly put period blood into the silencer from underwear.

A very innovative framing plan by the relatives. Risky as well, as they didn't know Sheila's arm lenght, if there had been any contact shots,  or if the police already had evidence the massacre had been committed without the silencer.

Never the less, optimistically realising the relatives could have fabricated the silencer without police assistance, was the reason David changed stance from hardcore guilter. Not sure how a very optimistic 'could' opinion negates all his previous evidence reasons for being a hardcore guilter.

« Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 09:18:27 AM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #72 on: July 08, 2018, 09:35:32 AM »
I can't see the ITV drama having a scene where the relatives are sat around a table -

AE

'I don't know if Sheila is guilty, but I want the inheritance money'.


DB

'Why don't we frame Jeremy ?'.


PE

'Splendid idea. But how ?'


DB

'Simple, we expertly put wet period blood into a silencer & scratch the aga'.


PE

'Now why didn't I think of that ?


AE

'Only a 1% chance of it working & we will get 5 years each if rumbled. But let's do it'.

------------

The programme makers won't want the viewers rolling around laughing in a serious drama.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 09:53:52 AM by adam »

Offline Samson

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #73 on: July 08, 2018, 11:54:41 AM »
I can't see the ITV drama having a scene where the relatives are sat around a table -

AE

'I don't know if Sheila is guilty, but I want the inheritance money'.


DB

'Why don't we frame Jeremy ?'.


PE

'Splendid idea. But how ?'


DB

'Simple, we expertly put wet period blood into a silencer & scratch the aga'.


PE

'Now why didn't I think of that ?


AE

'Only a 1% chance of it working & we will get 5 years each if rumbled. But let's do it'.

------------

The programme makers won't want the viewers rolling around laughing in a serious drama.
Let us work backwards from suicide.
Why not, you are working back from mass murder.
Charlie asked a question about blunt force trauma, why not essay an answer, we are talking past each other. We all want to deconstruct this crime.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: ITV Developing A Series Based On The Case Of Jeremy Bamber
« Reply #74 on: July 08, 2018, 01:54:58 PM »
The crime scene kitchen photo shows that some kind of struggle took place there. Why was Nevill's watch found broken and hidden under the mat in front of the sink? (with associated bruising to his left wrist where he probably wore it). There was blood spatter on the AGA and kettle as well as a wooden shard broken off the rifle, indicating that he had been severely beaten with it.  How did the high ceiling lampshade central in the room come to be shattered with its shards scattered on the floor?  Did Nevill climb onto a chair waving his hands about to effect this?!!!

And any drama/doc will tend to obfuscate rather than clarify, as they have done several times in the past. I remember one which showed the gun cupboard as a simple sideboard with easy access, not the actual cramped, wedge-shaped compartment under the stairs which could only be entered/examined by crawling on hands and knees. For a drama to be truthful it needs to be accurate, and reliant on the actual layout/plans of WHF.

ITV will take no notice of you Samson, much as you would hope. They're aim is to boost audience figures not kowtow to the misplaced concerns of one or two on social media.

Talking of obfuscating rather than clarifying:

- NB's watch was 'discovered' under a rug.  There's no evidence anyone attempted to hide it.

- NB sustained non-gsw injuries to his right arm only

- The blood found near the Aga was described as "smears" not blood spatter.  "There was blood smears on a tile above his head, on the kettle on the hob and the Aga at his side" CAL P. 702.  Pathology report states "substantial blood staining" to NB's right hand.  Probably came out when NB outstretched his only working arm (right) to steady himself.

- Dr V was unable to gauge the force used in all but one of NB's non-gsw's.  The one he was able to gauge he described as "considerable" but this only caused a "severe superficial skin injury".  In a later report he stated that there was nothing a woman of SC's build was unable to inflict:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=206.0;attach=742

- The kitchen lampshade was found broken and the only people to describe the fall out as "shards of glass" are you and John.  Soc officer DC Hammersley describes the fall out as "debris" confined to a particular area:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=21
« Last Edit: July 08, 2018, 01:59:51 PM by Holly Goodhead »
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?